have a scapegoat

i knew there was something that i was forgetting

i even remember when knick fans were calling for larry johnson's head and for kurt to become the starter at the 4 but when larry retired knick fans said we were missing his leadership and his locker room presence and all that blah blah blah

same with ewing and marcus camby

i even remember when sprewell was the cancer of the organization and after he left we won all those championships with allan houston

so now i guess now it's kurt time to be the goat

okay i'll play along

After Marbury, he's been the best Knick this year. Go figure?

who said Kurt the goat? We need to upgrade PF. Sorry, but KT is slower than almost every PF in the league, has ZERO verticle leap, NEVER gets the the FT line, is an OK defender, is NOT explosive, isnt highly skilled (ie ball handling, passing).

What KT is a guy that plays hard every night and knocks down open jumpers. I'm sorry if you cant see that we need more from that position.

FACT: for the season we have been getting killed at PF and SF. SF has a new starter there.

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stop looking at stats and effort and start looking at results. We get beat at PF night in and night out.

There's no goat, just a below average player that works hard every night. Unless your drinking Breen's kool-aid and think "he should get consideration for all NBA defensive team"

Now THATS funny

you're right fishmike but have you stopped to think that as a salary cap team the knicks don't have the luxury of most teams

we can't just add a beat at pf because we added a beast at pg. remember

it just don't work like that.

but let's go deeper. the knicks have been getting killed everywhere and not just at pf.

let's trade the entire team then

no they havent... and here's the proof:
http://www.82games.com/0405NYK5.HTM

on a nightly basis we win at center and pg. We are only -1 at SG and we have murdered at SF/PF. SF is no mystery and there's been a change there. That leaves Mr. 36 minutes at night at PF Kurt Thomas. What more do you want to see?

Position FGA eFG% FTA iFG Reb Ast T/O Blk PF Pts PER*
PG 1.6 +.015 1.5 6% -0.9 1.2 -0.4 -0.1 0.9 3.2 +2.5
SG 2.7 -.045 -0.6 -15% -1.3 0.4 -0.3 0.0 0.5 0.9 -1.2
SF -0.4 -.042 -1.9 -3% -0.4 -0.9 0.1 -0.1 -1.3 -3.4 -5.3
PF -3.7 -.034 -2.5 -15% 0.5 -0.8 0.7 -0.4 -1.7 -6.6 -5.4
C 1.1 +.041 1.9 6% 1.1 -0.9 0.1 -0.3 -0.3 4.2 +5.3

its not enough that we get outscored at PF, the FG% difference is brutal. Opposing PFs get to the line and shoot a high %. Ours is good from 15-18 feet when the PG does all the work.

I'm not looking at KT's stats and saying "this guy is good."

I'm looking at why the Knicks lose games. Its pretty simple. The team with the more points wins. So go by position. Where do we get beat EVERY NIGHT?
NOT PG
NOT SG
NOT C

That leaves SF and yes, you guess it... PF.

But your right... forget about stats or numbers. Despite the reason we get outscored at PF and the opposing player shoots a higher % and gets the line 6-7 more times a night, thats not the problem right?

Its got to be the coach I suppose :)

Posted by djsunyc:



knicks had one shot to rebuild from scratch, and they blew it by turning ewing into longley, shandon, eisley. that was the beginning of the end.

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Big... I see your logic and its a fair point, but when you look at the good teams, even ones with star players at one or two positions you dont see the kind of imbalance we have at PF/SF. You mentioned the Pacers and the only spot they get beat at is SG and its only by 3 points. The Spurs who rely on Duncan outscore opponents at EVERY position. Even the Wolves a huge +6.4 at PF w/ Garnett dont have a spot that gets hurt like we get hurt at PF

Posted by gunsnewing:

it's simple if you have a good sf & pf you are going to have a good team and if you have a great center you will win the championship. All you need out of the backcourt is a guy who can run the team and a guy who can shoot and play defense. That would be my ideal team

So why did people think getting Marbury was a step up for a championship aspirations?

or if you want to be proven wrong and Stephon as you have been proven wrong about JVG. they can trade Stephon at some point and get a hell of a lot more for him than Allan Houston would