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djsunyc
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1/14/2005  3:44 PM
he's going to turn 28 this year.
he logs BIG TIME minutes.
he sometimes looks exhausted at end of games.
can he last past 31/32 years of age at this pace?
he's strong as a bull but will that hurt him or help him down the line?

filling that backup PG position should be on isiah's TO DO list this summer. now with h20 looking OLD, craw will be playing more SG, unless ariza slides over.

ha. i'm talking about "windows" while we're in the freakin' toolshed.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01/14/2005 15:49:55]
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1/14/2005  3:52 PM
So you think the Knicks should be looking for a replacement for our 27/28 yearold all star pointguard? Not a priortiy in my book, nothing but the front court is.
I think Steph can last past 32. I have seen him look tired, but playing the big minutes will do that to you. When the time comes, a cut in minutes would be the first step. Maybe find a better backup rather than a replacement.
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1/14/2005  3:57 PM
not that at all.

i was curious to see how many people think steph can hold up for the length of his deal.

but i do believe that the window to build AROUND marbury is within the next 3 years. after that, he can't be the franchise player anymore from a phsyical standpoint.
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1/14/2005  4:00 PM
I think you have five years- after that, he can be a part, but not the star of a contending team.
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1/14/2005  4:15 PM
its a good queston, especially if our goal is to surround Marbury with players that can run with him.
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1/14/2005  4:23 PM
I'm sure this is the question IT asks with every move he makes.

That, and 'When does Allan's contract come off the books again?'
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1/14/2005  4:25 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

he's going to turn 28 this year.
he logs BIG TIME minutes.
he sometimes looks exhausted at end of games.
can he last past 31/32 years of age at this pace?
he's strong as a bull but will that hurt him or help him down the line?

filling that backup PG position should be on isiah's TO DO list this summer. now with h20 looking OLD, craw will be playing more SG, unless ariza slides over.

ha. i'm talking about "windows" while we're in the freakin' toolshed.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01/14/2005 15:49:55]

I think this is an excellent 'point'. (I have been reading too many sports articles) We definitely need a decent backup PG. I was thinking troy hudson or nick the quick who is said to be retiring. This is something that is important to consider. I think Craw could be groomed to fill this role with Marbs out. I also think if we do make the trade for Jalen he can also play the point foward which could help us solve this problem.
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1/14/2005  4:26 PM
Posted by franco12:

I'm sure this is the question IT asks with every move he makes.

That, and 'When does Allan's contract come off the books again?'
lol.
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1/14/2005  4:28 PM
Nash is 31 by the way. I would say Marbury has at least 5 years. He takes great care of himself. He's already lost his verticle leap with some of the problems he's had with his ankles. He was an explosive dunker at one point; Steve Francis like. My point there is his game hasnt suffered at all. He's stil explosive and attacks the rim as well as anyone in the league (thats not a big)
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1/14/2005  4:34 PM
A point guard who's strength is attacking the basket .. while his teammates watch him IMHO is not a recipe for a "CHAMPIONSHIP" especially 3 YRS LATER at 31 yrs of age.
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1/14/2005  4:38 PM
well the good thing is that we are finally looking FORWARD which should be the goal for the few years starting from now. Before, We had spree and houston both already 30 and we were going nowhere. So it's a start. I highly doubt NY will win a championship with Steph playing for the knicks though. I just don't think we'll be ready until maybe several years from now. not to be pessimistic or anything
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1/15/2005  12:26 AM
Posted by playa2:

A point guard who's strength is attacking the basket .. while his teammates watch him IMHO is not a recipe for a "CHAMPIONSHIP" especially 3 YRS LATER at 31 yrs of age.


uh...in that case, you change the players who are standing around watching and not the all-star point guard attacking the rim.
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1/15/2005  1:11 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

he's going to turn 28 this year.
he logs BIG TIME minutes.
he sometimes looks exhausted at end of games.
can he last past 31/32 years of age at this pace?
he's strong as a bull but will that hurt him or help him down the line?

filling that backup PG position should be on isiah's TO DO list this summer. now with h20 looking OLD, craw will be playing more SG, unless ariza slides over.

ha. i'm talking about "windows" while we're in the freakin' toolshed.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01/14/2005 15:49:55]

we can address that with the draft. I trust that Isiah can pull off another steal late in the 2nd round again, especially with a PG
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1/15/2005  1:42 AM
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1/15/2005  1:50 AM
This is insane. You have a player who 28 years old, and we are talknig about window of opportunity?

Man, Ariza is gong to turn 20 soon, we only got 10 years to use him.

This "old" thing is getting out of control, used to be at 28 the guy just began to enter his prime, now we are talking about his ending his caceer in 3 years.

I think Marbury plays too many minutes, too, but thats a qustion of a backup PG, not of window of opportunity. Just get a guy who can play 10 minutes a game and not give up a 16 pt run.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/15/2005  2:11 AM
Posted by simrud:

This is insane. You have a player who 28 years old, and we are talknig about window of opportunity?

Man, Ariza is gong to turn 20 soon, we only got 10 years to use him.

This "old" thing is getting out of control, used to be at 28 the guy just began to enter his prime, now we are talking about his ending his caceer in 3 years.

I think Marbury plays too many minutes, too, but thats a qustion of a backup PG, not of window of opportunity. Just get a guy who can play 10 minutes a game and not give up a 16 pt run.

its a valid piont. I mean payton is what 35 and he was a lot like marbury in his prime. Well he has used up a little more energy actually playing defense lol, thats not that old but for a PG who's logged a lot of minutes it can be a problem. But Steph is 7 years away from 35!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01/15/2005 02:13:22]
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1/15/2005  2:51 AM
I'd say Marbury has a realistic 4 years left (of his quality 20/9 performances nightly), possibly more if he keeps himself in shape and doesn't get hurt.

Adding a backup can only help him, if they had a player who could go out there and give you a quality 12-15 minutes every night, Marbury would not only be better at the end of games, but he'd last a lot longer. I love Nate Robinson and Jarret Jack, but I'd rather use a first rounder on a big man if one's available. I'd look to add a player, however, a defensive minded PG who has proven he can run a team, something like an in-his-prime Charlie Ward-type.

I'd say in 2 seasons the Knicks will be, for the most part, cleaned up. I think Isiah is moving them in that direction, adding younger players, and with the maturation of those younger players coinciding with Marbury's best days, it'll be interesting if they ever get close to a contedner.

Playa, no offense, but you lost a lot of credibility yesterday with your ripping off that guy.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 01/15/2005 02:52:21]
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djsunyc
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1/15/2005  8:43 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by simrud:

This is insane. You have a player who 28 years old, and we are talknig about window of opportunity?

Man, Ariza is gong to turn 20 soon, we only got 10 years to use him.

This "old" thing is getting out of control, used to be at 28 the guy just began to enter his prime, now we are talking about his ending his caceer in 3 years.

I think Marbury plays too many minutes, too, but thats a qustion of a backup PG, not of window of opportunity. Just get a guy who can play 10 minutes a game and not give up a 16 pt run.

its a valid piont. I mean payton is what 35 and he was a lot like marbury in his prime. Well he has used up a little more energy actually playing defense lol, thats not that old but for a PG who's logged a lot of minutes it can be a problem. But Steph is 7 years away from 35!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01/15/2005 02:13:22]

all i'm saying is that if you specifically build a team AROUND marbury, can that team be successful for more than 3-4 years since i believe, due to the way he physically plays the game, marbury may start to slow down. therefore, is the "window" a team can be built around marbury about 3-4 years? (remember, he's under contract for 6 more years).

or do we still look for that PF/C to build the team around for the next 10 years and hope he's good enough to win right now WITH marbury?

i guess that's the question i should've posted.
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1/15/2005  10:27 AM
marbury is a special type of athlete, I say he has at least 5 more years before he slows down, as fish said, steph lost some of his vertical after the ankle surgeries but he has gotten better with his jumper, and slicker with finishing his drives, he still is strong as a bull and knows how to get to the hoop, just look at sam casell and gary payton at 35 they still can get it done, steph is only 27, great years are still ahead for him..
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1/15/2005  10:32 AM
Posted by simrud:

This is insane. You have a player who 28 years old, and we are talknig about window of opportunity?

Man, Ariza is gong to turn 20 soon, we only got 10 years to use him.

This "old" thing is getting out of control, used to be at 28 the guy just began to enter his prime, now we are talking about his ending his caceer in 3 years.

I think Marbury plays too many minutes, too, but thats a qustion of a backup PG, not of window of opportunity. Just get a guy who can play 10 minutes a game and not give up a 16 pt run.

excellent post, the problem is that the league has gotten so High school struck that they forget you are still young at age 25, that is why guys like boozer, and michael redd get passed up, and clowns like Quintel woods, and tyson chandler go high...
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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