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Bonn1997
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1/12/2005  11:53 PM
What do you guys think of these players?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/270521p-231674c.html

Head coach Lenny Wilkens acknowledged that the Knicks are considering signing a player to a 10-day contract with Thomas and Jamal Crawford both sidelined. Kendall Gill, Tremaine Fowlkes, Smush Parker and Sam Mack are all available.
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1/13/2005  12:02 AM
Considering it's for a temeporary and limited role, sign the kid from Fordham.
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1/13/2005  1:38 AM
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Who would have thought we would be talking about needing a SG this year.

Man, this sucks lol.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/13/2005  4:14 AM
It's only short-term because every SG is injured right now. The past 9 games have confirmed how important Jamal is and we should be happy we have him for the long-term.
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1/13/2005  7:09 AM
smush parker is a player. he's a little arrogant ( i met him at west 4th street) but he is a top talent. He just needs a chance to sucseed.

He did play well in Detroit but they already have a rotation of guards there.

The Knicks have Moochie and Brewer backing up Marbs.......

When the Knicks are healthy there won't be minutes for him but dude still can play. He's not a point guard and he is not a shooting guard. He's kind of like Crawford.

With Houston and Ariza here I dunno where he would play but he can play this game.

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1/13/2005  7:35 AM
Isiah has a huge decision to make when it comes to the SG position. Frankly, I do believe that we need a major upgrade. Crawf is not a SG. At 6'4"/6'5" 190 lbs, he will be overpowered every night. I think that the ideal thing to do at this time is this, find a way to get rid of Coochie in a package with Kurt and Penny or TT, and acquire a PF and a SG capable of playing defense. Ideally, Jimmy Jackson and P.J. Brown would have fit that plan beautifully, but I don't know how Isiah feels about this deal. The Nets are doing their best to snapp Jimmy Jackson from N.O., but I do believe that our chances are much better at trading for JJ. If that deal was to go through, we would really be balance at all positions. Marb and Crawf could have shared the PG spot, with JJ and Houston at SG, JYD and either Ariza or Penny SF, P.J. Brown or my wish is really C.Webb at PF, Nazr and P.J. Brown at Center.

Bottom line is this, JJ can be have and Isiah needs to strongly consider this dude. He is athletic, plays defense, shoot the ball well, and is arrogant enough for N.Y. He is the typical type of player that we need.
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1/13/2005  8:06 AM
Here is a list of SGs that I do believe that Isiah should strongly consider:::

Josh Howard 6'7" 210
Michael Pietrus 6'6" 215
Jason Richardson 6'6" 225
Jalen Rose 6'8" 217
Bobby Simmons 6'7" 228
Jerry Stackhouse 6'6" 218
Jimmy Jackson

And that is about it. Amongst all of those guards, Jackson, Richardson, Pietrus, Howard, Simmons, are the players I would love for the Knicks. With the uncertainty with Houston, it is highly imperative to have a decent SG other than potentially Crawf to man that position.......
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1/13/2005  8:19 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

It's only short-term because every SG is injured right now. The past 9 games have confirmed how important Jamal is and we should be happy we have him for the long-term.

The Last nine games the knicks are 4-5. Which is pretty much the type of team we've been all year. Jamal makes us better but until he improves his shot selection and defense he is really not a difference maker. I like Jamal for his potential. But at his current level of play he does not make the team much better. He'll win you some games when he's shooting well and lose you some with bad shot selection and bad defense.
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1/13/2005  8:28 AM
Crawford is still young. 24...by the time he is 27 and well coached, ariza will be 22 and sweets will be 26. If that doesn't say core, i don't know what does.

Crawford is our SG long term. We need a defensive minded flexible SG...we need a Penny rededicated to the Knicks.
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1/13/2005  8:35 AM
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

It's only short-term because every SG is injured right now. The past 9 games have confirmed how important Jamal is and we should be happy we have him for the long-term.

The Last nine games the knicks are 4-5. Which is pretty much the type of team we've been all year. Jamal makes us better but until he improves his shot selection and defense he is really not a difference maker. I like Jamal for his potential. But at his current level of play he does not make the team much better. He'll win you some games when he's shooting well and lose you some with bad shot selection and bad defense.
IMO, Craw makes the SG position A LOT better than Allan Houston does. The team might have about the same record but the position solidifies with him. Also, Stephon has to carry a big scoring load when Crawford is out. Like you said, everyone likes Jamal for his potential and the only way to bring the potential out is to give him a lot of mins at SG. There is not point in bringing someone else in to play SG because Crawford has not reached his potential.

At his current level he might not make us a better team but he is a better SG option. He will make us a better team after he learns which will require time.
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1/13/2005  8:48 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

It's only short-term because every SG is injured right now. The past 9 games have confirmed how important Jamal is and we should be happy we have him for the long-term.

The Last nine games the knicks are 4-5. Which is pretty much the type of team we've been all year. Jamal makes us better but until he improves his shot selection and defense he is really not a difference maker. I like Jamal for his potential. But at his current level of play he does not make the team much better. He'll win you some games when he's shooting well and lose you some with bad shot selection and bad defense.
IMO, Craw makes the SG position A LOT better than Allan Houston does. The team might have about the same record but the position solidifies with him. Also, Stephon has to carry a big scoring load when Crawford is out. Like you said, everyone likes Jamal for his potential and the only way to bring the potential out is to give him a lot of mins at SG. There is not point in bringing someone else in to play SG because Crawford has not reached his potential.

At his current level he might not make us a better team but he is a better SG option. He will make us a better team after he learns which will require time.

Like I said I agree he has a lot of potential to help the Knicks. My point was addressing the issue of how much it hurt us not having him over the last 9 games. And outside of potentially slowing his development I don't think it made much difference. This teams biggest problems are terrible defense and bad choices on offense. Craw is not good in either area and until he lives up to his POTENTIAL and improves in both areas - he does not make a big difference in wins and losses. Though he does make the game a lot more interesting.
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1/13/2005  8:53 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Here is a list of SGs that I do believe that Isiah should strongly consider:::

Josh Howard 6'7" 210
Michael Pietrus 6'6" 215
Jason Richardson 6'6" 225
Jalen Rose 6'8" 217
Bobby Simmons 6'7" 228
Jerry Stackhouse 6'6" 218
Jimmy Jackson

And that is about it. Amongst all of those guards, Jackson, Richardson, Pietrus, Howard, Simmons, are the players I would love for the Knicks. With the uncertainty with Houston, it is highly imperative to have a decent SG other than potentially Crawf to man that position.......

I don't think they meant making a big trade. Jes, we have Craw coming back!

I thought you were gonna recommend JYD at shooting guard. He brings energy and enthusiasim to everything!
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1/13/2005  8:54 AM
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

It's only short-term because every SG is injured right now. The past 9 games have confirmed how important Jamal is and we should be happy we have him for the long-term.

The Last nine games the knicks are 4-5. Which is pretty much the type of team we've been all year. Jamal makes us better but until he improves his shot selection and defense he is really not a difference maker. I like Jamal for his potential. But at his current level of play he does not make the team much better. He'll win you some games when he's shooting well and lose you some with bad shot selection and bad defense.
IMO, Craw makes the SG position A LOT better than Allan Houston does. The team might have about the same record but the position solidifies with him. Also, Stephon has to carry a big scoring load when Crawford is out. Like you said, everyone likes Jamal for his potential and the only way to bring the potential out is to give him a lot of mins at SG. There is not point in bringing someone else in to play SG because Crawford has not reached his potential.

At his current level he might not make us a better team but he is a better SG option. He will make us a better team after he learns which will require time.

Like I said I agree he has a lot of potential to help the Knicks. My point was addressing the issue of how much it hurt us not having him over the last 9 games. And outside of potentially slowing his development I don't think it made much difference. This teams biggest problems are terrible defense and bad choices on offense. Craw is not good in either area and until he lives up to his POTENTIAL and improves in both areas - he does not make a big difference in wins and losses. Though he does make the game a lot more interesting.
I agree that he is not making much of a difference RIGHT NOW in the wins and losses but he is the best option we have at the position. His potential is obviously there and I was looking to the future but even though the current record doesnt show it, Craw is much better than Houston. It hurts not having him there over the last 9 games because Stephon was trying to score too much and I am glad he is not injured in anyway trying to do too much.
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1/13/2005  9:15 AM
Sorry but I'm in the mood to post. So I'll keep this going.

Houston is healhy enough to play and Craw isn't so obviously right now Houston is better.

If both were entirely healthy I disagree the Craw is better. He could be better if he tried on defense. He could be better if he had any idea what a bad shot was. But I truthfully think a that healthy Houstons defense is no worse and may be better then Craws. Offensively, Craw could be better if he had some control - but he has none.

Craw is all about potential. A healthy Houston would win us more games this year then a Healthy Crawford. On the other hand I have no trouble playing Crawford because Houston may never be healthy and if Crawford ever learns the game he will be the better player.
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1/13/2005  9:30 AM
I think crawford is seeing what he needs to do to be a better player...I expect an entirely different crawford when he returns...ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/38084.htm

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Wilkens is even instructing Crawford while he's on the injured list. "He's learning even when he's not playing," Wilkens said. "I ask him, 'What do you see? You're watching the game.' I expect [improved ball movement] when he comes back."
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1/13/2005  9:34 AM
Sorry, I'm in a mood to post too so I will keep on going too.

2 points
1) Houston is a complete waste of space and I do not want to go into again today but I will if u want to.
On the other hand I have no trouble playing Crawford because Houston may never be healthy and if Crawford ever learns the game he will be the better player.
Thats too hypothetical the way we are going on this thread. Why dont you try and look at RIGHT NOW! He is obviously not completely recovered or maybe he is still injured and needs another knee surgery.

2) Houston can barely move or even jump! That by default makes Crawford the better option at SG.
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1/13/2005  9:41 AM
Houston is awesome...off the bench...he's average as a starter (streaky).

If he bounds off the bench and hits his shots, he stays until the end at the expense of TT

When I'm playing xbox live if Craw isn't hitting or gets tired, he hits the bench and I resub for TT or h20 (whichever isn't lighting it up)

Marbs never sits, but that's video game land and 5 minute quarters...otherwise, penny to the rescue, or use the three scoring line up of TT, h20 and craw.

But H20 does not start, and only finishes when he has a night like he did against minny and sits when he has a night like he did agains the hornets.

Simple as that.

Hey...NBA 2k4 doesn't lie.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 01/13/2005 09:42:11]
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1/13/2005  10:34 AM
Crawford's a lot better than Houston simply because Crawford can run down the court and won't get beat every time by the man guarding him. I'm worried that a fast guard like Ben Gordon (who's had a number of 30+ point games) will light up Houston for 40+
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1/13/2005  10:42 AM
i don't think we all though houston would look this bad phsyically trying to run up and down the court. as a result, his shot is off.

i don't think we need to pick up a SG. i think when tim comes back, which should be saturday, we'll be fine and it's an opportunity to give ariza some minutes there. if anything, pick up a backup PG, someone fast and can dribble up the court.
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1/13/2005  10:47 AM
We don't need a SG?????? Are you serious??? the average SGs in this league are all better than ours. Houston may never regain his form, Penny is crying like a little b*tch, and Crawf is too inexperience and to light for that position.....Since Marburry is a liability on the defensive end, we need a SG that plays defense to complement. That is why Isiah should have pursued Larry Hughes...
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