I have defended this team, and marbury especially with vigor, after tonight I have had enough, no longer do I support this team the same way..

I am disgusted with marburys defense, I mean all he has to do is keep baron davis in front of him, take a lesson from jason kidd, when kidd plays davis, he just keeps him in front of him, nothing more, he knows, kidd understands that baron davis is out of control and will either take a bad shot or turn the ball over, common sense..

I am disgusted with Houston, He continues to settle for long jumpers with guys 6 inches smaller guarding him, his last 3 shots of the game were horrible..

I am disgusted with nazr and his lack of understanding of defense..

From now on I will follow this team only to cheer on the progression of sweetney, ariza and crawford, and root for the hustle and smart play of Jerome williams..

I am disgusted that we let PJ brown beat us off the dribble 4 F***ing times!!!

I am sick that we let non rebounding azz nailon look like Bill russel at times on the boards...

There is no excuse for the lack of defensive effort and if marbury does not understand that it starts with him as the PG and the leader of this team then we can trade his azz at the deadline too, thats right, I said it, I have supported him wholeheartedly all year, but I can't tolerate guys who have the abillity to play the right way and refuse to at times, that is inexcuseable... I have changed my whole outlook of this team that IT has put together, I know we are a work in progress but we don't have to look like cow dung along the process..... I can't let this one go, I am sorry.

Tonight JYD and Ariza were the two best players on the floor, I will root for those guys, until the rest start playing with pride they can kiss my.....................

KNICKS SUCK**** them I will not watch them Saturday

[Edited by - NYK3 on 01/11/2005 22:14:51]

you see this is the only thing about isiah thomas that makes me hella mad.

he goes out and trades van horn even tho van horn was having an on par year but he shows sympathy for tim thomas who has been horrible then he acts like knick fans are idiots and are not suppose to see the hypocrisy

naw isiah baby it aint going down like that

if you fire chaney who sucked then you fire lenny who sucks

accountability on both sides of the coin

Posted by LongIslandKnicksFan:

When the Knicks go on a seven game winning streak, you will say different things.

these Knicks will NOT go on a seven game win streak this year. If they do I'll shave my head

I am not mad at this loss. The only thing I ask is that we put in the effort. H20 shot us out of this game. Without his shot going down one after another he is a complete liability. He will always be a huge liability on D cuz he will never get that mobility back. This is the most glaring reason why we need craw back. he may not be the most prolific defender but he is leaps and bounds better then h20 at the moment. We will never be a good defending team with h20 playing heavy minutes. He can't stay infront of a snail on a road filled with salt.

Posted by LongIslandKnicksFan:

When the Knicks go on a seven game winning streak, you will say different things. It's funny that us fans are so "we're a good team" when the Knicks are winning, and then when they are losing you say KNICKS SUCK. It's funny. It's sad also. I'm a Knicks fan and I am disgusted as well. But remember, any team can win on any night. The Knicks didn't play defense and I blame it on Lenny. Fire Lenny!

I don't think that anyone that has seen this Knicks team this season will say they are a good team after such a streak because, the thing with this Knicks team is that anything can happen. You say the Spurs, they could lose to any team one night, but they will come back with a stronger mindset and win their next 10 games and their loss will be with effort. With this NY team, you just can't expect anything for sure because they don't have an identity. They are a team that when they want they can play good defense, score a lot and win any game, but they can also take the night off, make no effort and lose to any team, no matter how bad they are. A 7 game winning streak would have any fan extremely happy, but us Knicks fans, it would be happiness and doubt, because we know after those wins we can go to an 8 game losing streak. If they just lost games making an effort, I would be ok. But this team losses because they don't step up to the challenge every game.

I am not punking out at all, I will still watch and root, I will just watch with a different mindset. That is to watch the development of sweetney and ariza and crawford, as well as marbury, and the hustle of JYD, other than that, I won't expect too much from this team, until they show me they are commited to winning on both sides of the ball...

Posted by tkf:

I have defended this team, and marbury especially with vigor, after tonight I have had enough, no longer do I support this team the same way..

I am disgusted with marburys defense, I mean all he has to do is keep baron davis in front of him, take a lesson from jason kidd, when kidd plays davis, he just keeps him in front of him, nothing more, he knows, kidd understands that baron davis is out of control and will either take a bad shot or turn the ball over, common sense..

I am disgusted with Houston, He continues to settle for long jumpers with guys 6 inches smaller guarding him, his last 3 shots of the game were horrible..

I am disgusted with nazr and his lack of understanding of defense..

From now on I will follow this team only to cheer on the progression of sweetney, ariza and crawford, and root for the hustle and smart play of Jerome williams..

I am disgusted that we let PJ brown beat us off the dribble 4 F***ing times!!!

I am sick that we let non rebounding azz nailon look like Bill russel at times on the boards...

There is no excuse for the lack of defensive effort and if marbury does not understand that it starts with him as the PG and the leader of this team then we can trade his azz at the deadline too, thats right, I said it, I have supported him wholeheartedly all year, but I can't tolerate guys who have the abillity to play the right way and refuse to at times, that is inexcuseable... I have changed my whole outlook of this team that IT has put together, I know we are a work in progress but we don't have to look like cow dung along the process..... I can't let this one go, I am sorry.

Tonight JYD and Ariza were the two best players on the floor, I will root for those guys, until the rest start playing with pride they can kiss my.....................

I do believe you this time TFK

Posted by tkf:

I will just watch with a different mindset.

yep. I got to that conclusion a while ago.

Pike In have to blame Lenny for last night loss when it comes to using him correctly.


Allan Houston in his fragile condition should be only used as a spot up shooter from the corner or the top of the key.

He can still play but he must be used correctly!

& who would you have had playing in his place? Moochie Norris? Jamison Brewer? had Allan been sitting on the bench in the closing minutes & they lost the game, people would be blaming Lenny for not having Allan on the floor too...he had his best players on the floor & they simply didn't execute.

(sorry, was that patronizing you again? my bad)