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raven
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1/11/2005  7:37 AM
what do you guys think about getting paul pierce ?

I have no particular opinion, but after reading the artivle enclosed belo, from cnnsi, i wanted to get some feedback.


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Celtics' youthful, motivated corps need better leader than Pierce


On Saturday night, Chicago's kids took the Celtics pups out behind the shed, leading by as many as 18 before finishing with an 11-point win, but there was more to that game than a generic matching of talents.

Boston's reserves dominated a Chicago bench that has routinely outscored its opponents this season. It wasn't until Celtics coach Doc Rivers put the ball back in the hands of his "superstar," Paul Pierce, that the Bulls pulled away. Thirty-four games into the season, and it has become apparent that the Celtics' leading scorer and second-leading rebound/assist man may be the player holding this group back. Usually, we here at OtB regard trade suggestions and rumors as an affront to our senses, but Boston boss Danny Ainge should actively court offers for his maxed-out albatross.

Pierce began his habit of floating through games during the 2002-03 season and hasn't stopped, even after Boston has continually attempted to retool itself (trading Antoine Walker, bringing in Gary Payton and Rivers). He remains a talented shooter who scores big numbers when he shoots a lot, but he's never taken that grand "next step" to become a devastating all-around scorer. And don't think about asking him to bring back the defensive touch he displayed his first two seasons in Boston. Pierce is done with all that.

Regrettably, last month's comment about only needing "an In-N-Out Burger and some Popeye's Fried Chicken" to get himself ready for athletic conquest spoke volumes as to the type of leader Pierce is: a self-satisfied, pseudo All-Star who is content to drop 20 a night and collect checks. His reputation alone allows him to take the last shot of the game, but his game hardly merits the honor. Worse yet, Pierce is owed about $45 million from Boston after this season, the biggest reason why Boston has the league's eighth-highest payroll but only the 21st-best record.

The Celtics need to make a move. Not before February, mind you, not with a legitimate shot at the playoffs (they're a game out), which would give Payton a chance to shine and, more important, give the kids a taste of what it's like. But over the summer, Boston needs to move No. 34. What GM wouldn't warm to the idea of trading for a player who can drop 20 in his sleep? NBA personnel bosses can talk themselves into anything over the summer, which is why Antoine Walker has been traded two consecutive offseasons.

Unfortunately, Pierce's somnambulant play has taken away from the wonderful contributions GP has provided and an impressive rookie season from Al Jefferson. If anything, Rivers hasn't used Payton enough, but the former Laker continues to keep his head up and play consistently. Payton is patient with his young, flighty teammates, and he's more than made up for his semi-holdout (which was mostly spurred on by his disgust with Lakers brass) last summer.

Jefferson's been a beast down low. Just a year removed from dominating rural high schoolers in relative obscurity, Jefferson has showed fine footwork, a killer touch around the rim and a knack for the screen/roll game. His rookie shortcomings (porous and undisciplined defense, inability to read defensive rotations) are obvious, but also something you'd expect from a player who spent four years at Duke.

The fact Jefferson isn't a household name this early in his career helps. Remember, Pierce entered this league with a sense of entitlement, basking in the "how did he fall that far?" glow after being selected 10th in the draft. Jefferson started his rookie campaign behind Walter McCarty and Kendrick Perkins, and now he's the first Celtic off the bench. This is the type of player you build a team around.

Trading Pierce and focusing on Jefferson won't fix all of Boston's issues. Rivers still has a lot to prove as a coach, "point guard of the future" Marcus Banks has regressed in his second year, and Ricky Davis is still nutty. But Ainge has the opportunity to make up for the misguided Walker trade (good for the talent base, horrible for the books). Ainge has shown himself to be an astute judge of talent, whether he uses that brain-reading system or not, so he should be trusted to pull off a solid deal involving Pierce.

The next step after that? Updating those ugly uniforms.

[Edited by - raven on 01/11/2005 07:38:12]
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1/11/2005  9:44 AM
it would take a package of Crawford, Nazr & Ariza to make the Celtics even consider it IMHO...not sure i'd give up all that to get 1 player unless he was an elite bigman.
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1/11/2005  11:57 AM
Paul Pierce is a much better player than Vince is right now. I would trade for him. Let see, who can we send them for Paul?????
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1/11/2005  12:18 PM
Posted by TMS:

it would take a package of Crawford, Nazr & Ariza to make the Celtics even consider it IMHO...not sure i'd give up all that to get 1 player unless he was an elite bigman.

I totally agree.. He's not worth giving all those players.. If It were a prolific star big man then i might consider...
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1/11/2005  12:20 PM
I think I hate Pierce even more than Walker.

I don't want any of these "Juanna Mann" kinda self obsorbed StarPhuched players in my house!

At least Pootie Spree had a certain Edge on him. Pierce is just goofy.

Is he a good player, sure he is, but I gotta go with Dolan and desire some character in my players. Look at what Pootie is doing to the wolves this year. Just taking them down!

Isiah wants tough guys here who can take a "talking to" and have respect for what they have. Some guys think theey are above an aszwhoopin! Isiah is Bobby knight old school in some ways. Pierce is a clown!
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1/11/2005  12:20 PM
Pierce is not our way to a championship now or in the future so I think that any trade for him that includes Sweets or Ariza is not a good idea...
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1/11/2005  12:42 PM
We could have had Paul Pierce a few years back, I think in his rookie or 2nd year if I'm not mistaken.. and get this, they were asking for Allan Houston and we said NO.

I don't think I'd be opposed to getting Paul Pierce now either.. However, not at the expense of Steph Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Trevor Ariza or JYD.

I might consider dealing away Sweetney with Tim Thomas or something if: A) Boston would take such a deal and move Ricky Davis to the 2 and B) If Kendrick Perkins or Al Jefferson is included in the deal!
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1/11/2005  12:44 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Pierce is not our way to a championship now or in the future
exactly.
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1/11/2005  3:40 PM
We would have to take Lafrentz salary off there hands as well. Crawford-Tim Thomas-Narz for Pierce & Lafrentz. & probably a pick for them to even CONSIDER.
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1/11/2005  4:31 PM
I dunno, the Celtics arent that good and PP isnt going anywhere with them. If he becomes malcontent why not try TT and H20 and maybe Sweets or KT for PP and Lafrentz

I think they might bite on that.
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1/11/2005  5:12 PM
How old is PP? Is he worth the long term $$ (ie H20) the Knicks would have to put up? Go youth... Draft well, trade young... Get picks with TT and Penny. Build around the guys we have, and if available trade for a good big man.
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1/11/2005  5:16 PM
PP?? Why do you keep talking about things that could never happen?

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1/11/2005  5:59 PM
Posted by Pike:

PP?? Why do you keep talking about things that could never happen?

Yeah getting Paul Pierce could never happen.......but....

He does have a bad relationship with Doc Rivers.

And Danny Ainge said he didn't think he was worthy to lead a Celtic team.

Pretty harsh stuff.

I would love to have him at the 3 with Marbs.....that would just be awesome.

Ariza can't be involved......sorry.

Still having Pierce while still keeping KT and Nazr along with Marbs and Craw would be so sick.
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1/11/2005  6:00 PM
Ainge would never trade him to the Knicks.
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