Ariza & JYD made a big impact in this game with there hustle and athletism. And Houston took a ton of the offensive pressure off of Marbury by hitting his jumpers. Steve Nash has players who play like this but a way more talented in Richardson-Joe Johnson-Marion & Stoudemire who make a huge impact every game consistantly. As did Kidd with Kittles-Jefferson & Martin. Marbury did have Marion & Stoud as a rookie and they won 44 games in the west that yr if they were in the east they probably would have won 50games and went to the finals. I don't blame Marbury for losing to the Spurs who eventually won the NBA championship they fought hard that yr and Marbury did all he could outplaying Parker. Nor do I call Marbury a loser for getting swept vs the Nets with Houston & Tim Thomas who combined for 35pts out that series.

No look to JYD who was flying to the basket, Alley oop to Ariza over stoudamire, Drive and dish to KT & Houston for jumpers. This is what happends when the players around Marbury hustle. Marbury gets them easy looks and they get Marbury easy assist.

Im looking at ESPN and Nash does a simple pick and roll the same way Marbury & KT does it. The diffence is Nash passes to Stoudemire who takes one step and jumps practically from the foul line for a dunk. With athletism around him like that no wonder he is considerd the best PG in the NBA right now.

good post...i agree 100%

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Im looking at ESPN and Nash does a simple pick and roll the same way Marbury & KT does it. The diffence is Nash passes to Stoudemire who takes one step and jumps practically from the foul line for a dunk. With athletism around him like that no wonder he is considerd the best PG in the NBA right now.

I hear ya and you know what pisses me off? TT is capable of this too if he weren't such a freaking head case.

At the same time i think the Knicks are finally being smart about ARiza's PT and I hope it builds more and more. YOu gotta make this guy an integral part of the team if you want him to re-sign at the end of the year. Plus it seems like he's forging a close friendship with Sweetney ad IT should keep promoting them as the future of the Knicks. Man did he have a Grant HIll/Scottie Pippen game last night. Yeah!

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Ariza & JYD made a big impact in this game with there hustle and athletism. And Houston took a ton of the offensive pressure off of Marbury by hitting his jumpers. Steve Nash has players who play like this but a way more talented in Richardson-Joe Johnson-Marion & Stoudemire who make a huge impact every game consistantly. As did Kidd with Kittles-Jefferson & Martin. Marbury did have Marion & Stoud as a rookie and they won 44 games in the west that yr if they were in the east they probably would have won 50games and went to the finals. I don't blame Marbury for losing to the Spurs who eventually won the NBA championship they fought hard that yr and Marbury did all he could outplaying Parker. Nor do I call Marbury a loser for getting swept vs the Nets with Houston & Tim Thomas who combined for 35pts out that series.

No look to JYD who was flying to the basket, Alley oop to Ariza over stoudamire, Drive and dish to KT & Houston for jumpers. This is what happends when the players around Marbury hustle. Marbury gets them easy looks and they get Marbury easy assist.

Im looking at ESPN and Nash does a simple pick and roll the same way Marbury & KT does it. The diffence is Nash passes to Stoudemire who takes one step and jumps practically from the foul line for a dunk. With athletism around him like that no wonder he is considerd the best PG in the NBA right now.

i made this point (among others) in my thesis length post (I was bored) "Marbury played a perfect game..." If Marb's played for Phoenix, he would have a game like that every night. Look at who Nash is passing to and look at who steph is passing to!!!!!! Also look at the style of play. And again what could Nash do with this team we have, could he do more or less? I think less, because he can't put the points up like Steph.

Posted by Nalod:


Look at Marv jumpin on the Ariza is little "Grant" with flater ears bandwagon.

Get on board, lots of room!

with flatter ears!!!!!!!!!!!

KT is prolly closer to the missing link then he is to anything that has to do with the championship.

Posted by simrud:

KT is prolly closer to the missing link then he is to anything that has to do with the championship.

huh?

Posted by diderotn:

I have pointed those same feelings a couple of times, but I was called crazy because I criticized Kurt Thomas. Our team is built to run, but it will not happen until we get rid of Kurt Thomas. However, with JYD in the starting lineup we may have a chance to see Marburry in full effect....You are exactly right, it is all about the athletes that he has around him....TT is not dunking the ball like he did early on in his career, and Kurt can't jump no higher than 1"

For some reason targeting KT is unacceptable to people but I want the Knicks to win a championship and I know it won't happen with KT starting; coming off the bench for 15-20 minutes maybe but starting and logging 35+ minutes a game hell no it won't happen. There is a need to get Sweetney in the lineup at first I thought Isiah was just show casing KT but now I think their agenda has changed due to the lack of interest in KT. On this board people think how can teams pass on a double-double guy who plays great defense. Unfortuantely the people on the board are fans and being a fan messes with their thinking there is a difference between a double-double that KG gets and KT gets. KT has very little demand and to trade KT the teams give garbage back in return. I think Isiah needs to realize this and make the crucial move that is get Sweetney in there and sit KT down. Enough of the show casing of KT its hurting the future of the team which doesn't have KT in the picture. Another reason Isiah won't sit KT is becasue he gave him a contract extension which was suppose to make him more attractive to teams and it hasn't done anything for his trade value but made it worse. So now Isiah plays him out of desperation in hoping that a taker will come and take him away in a decent deal.

Kurt Thomas is still our best option at the moment...

I just can't imagine sweetney covering Garnett effectively or at all.

We would also lose out on the pick and roll.

I definitely see Sweets being a better defender by the time hte playoffs roll around and maybe then he will be starting, but right now, there is no point in even entertaining the idea of sitting thomas when he fits well in our offense.

Posted by diderotn:

Actually, there are takers out there for Kurt Thomas, but Isiah is asking a little too much or the takers are also asking for Sweetney or Nazr to be part of the deal...what we need at the PF position is simple, if players like Webb, Curry, Chandler, Swift are offered, hell yeah I would include one of our youngins with that deal. However, combining either Penny or TT with Kurt and throw in Sundov with it, it will bring us either a good SF or a decent PF THAT CAN TRULY HELP OUR TEAM...

Trade partners: San Antonio, Sacramento, Bulls, N.O, Minesota, etc...

[Edited by - diderotn on 01/11/2005 11:54:05]

There are no takers I guarantee you that there aren't any. Nobody wants him because they know they can get a rebound pf anywhere. Sorry to dissapoint but they don't want him. These are just rumors and none of them are true. The Spurs deal was there last year and IT should have done it as POP wanted it. But if you approach him today he will turn you down or just offer Rose and no pick. To me thats a wash of deal but if made it paves the way for Sweetney which is what I want and what many fans want. But as long as KT is here he is going to whine and bitch about being a starter, thats his nature.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Its not just about putting athletes around Marbury. Its the combination of athletism & hustle. Dwayne Wade, Amare Stoudemire & Lebron James are the cream of the crop in that aspect. Those guys play aggressive. Every opportunity to make any type of play they do it.

I know we all say its up to Marbury to be a leader and make them hustle or Lenny Wilkens. But bottom line if it isn't in them it isn't happening. Prime example Tim Thomas. It really comes down to Zeke to bring in more JYD's & Ariza's to put around Marbury. Because when the team around Marbury is playing all out you then see Marbury dominate the way he is cappable, he definatly feeds off that.

Thats why this team needs an electriflying PF. Hence the need to get KT out of the lineup he is holding the team back with his lack of athleticism and hustle. When was the last time you saw KT go after the ball all out. I can't remember. He rarely hits the floor he never goes at the rim hard. My friends the faster Sweetney gets in the starting lineup the more the Knicks bring every game talent wise. Husltle wise and athletically.

The future needs to start now. Ariza more minutes, Sweetney starting lineup, Crawford once healthy back into the starting linup, Marbury because he is the best pg in the league some nights, and Nazr the only legit center on the team.