Hi, i cant seem to understand what is up with all the marbury bashing. everyone is blaming him for the team's woes. against cle he finished with around 12 ast. Imagine if everyone was hitting their shots. That being said, i pose this question/scenario. If marbury is the problem which most of you say he is....then lets say we can have any pg in the league. Obviously the hot pg now is Nash. So if we had Nash with the current squad we have right now, do you thing he would do much better?

I think not, a pg is responsible for getting guys good shots. They can not be responsible if the others will not make the baskets.
let face it, he is not the problem.

Marbury is the best player on this team. As soon as the Knicks traded for him, we made the playoffs. He is without a doubt the heart and soul of this team. Anyone that bashes him is a moron.

Anyone who bashes him (see: Peter Vecsey) is actually an intelligent basketball fan, not the average person who just sees Marbury averaging around 20 points a game and decides he's this amazing savior. Marbury is definitely not the best point guard in the league, as he claims to be. Ironic that he makes the assertion and for the next week the papers are filled with stories of prominent figures that disagree. I have two major beefs with Marbury:

1) Defense.
Nobody disagreed when Thomas said he was the worst defensive guard in the league. So, best point guard, but worst defensive guard? How does that work? Look at other players numbers against him. The players he is supposed to be guarding play at almost the same level he does. Against Sacramento: Marbury had 26 points, 7 assists, 1 steal. Great, right? Oh, he also grabbed 1 rebound and had 5 turnovers, and missed 11 shots to get his 26 points. Bibby, on the other hand: 19 points, 7 assists, 4 boards, 3 steals. Missed only 5 shots, had 3 turnovers. Against Miami, he had 7 more points than Wade and one less assist. The other guards are making just as much noise as he is. He can't play defense. He's lazy, he hardly ever shows an effort. On the rare occasions when we play zone, (rare because it never works) the opposing team always makes great passes to score. Why? Because the guards can easily see the whole floor, move around and score, because Marbury can't play D. It's pathetic, and any "worst defensive guard in the league" certainly is not the best.

2) Getting teammates involved
The game against Sacramento is a perfect example of what kind of a player he is. He doesn't look to pass, he doesn't look to get his teammates involved. Yes, he'll get a good amount of assists - about 8.5 a game. But there are countless, and I stress countless, situations where he should or could have passed the ball to get an easy score and he doesn't do it. He put up 21 shots that game. Missed half of them. He shoots instead of passing. He shoots instead of looking to get the offense going. That's the difference between him and Nash. Not only does Nash average 3 more assists, he runs the offense and involves his teammates. Marbury doesn't, never has, and that's why he's always traded from team to team and that's why he never takes those teams anywhere.

Ok, now we don't want Marbury in NY. Yeah, we are definitely going through hard times...

from VMart, in another thread:

"As for Marbury I never liked Marbury. Because he isn't a pure pg he is a sg caught in a pg body and the team treats him like a PG he is missing a valuable ingredient thats the ability to make the teammates better. He take more pride in being a top 15 scorer than to see a teammate be in the top 15 in scoring. There is a reason why teams trade him and a reason why they perform better when he leaves. People can say its injuries and what have you but when it is all said and done it will point to Stephon. Stephon sucks so bad at being a pg he can't even run a decent fast break to save his life. forget about true PGs signature a lob pass he doesn't even have confidence in his ability to throw on up there."

Ok, everyone is stuck on Marbury but what about the question i posed. the one is bold " So if we had Nash with the current squad we have right now, do you thing he would do much better?"

Oh and to answer simrud: Marbury was not the only player on the Olympic team. They all share those losses, in fact if it were not for Marbury taking over against Spain they would have not even placed.

This one is for Mythfaze on getting teamates involved:
What can he do if the guys are not hitting shots. Look at clevand game, all he did was pass the ball; no one could hit any shots. I agree his defense is lacking.

In today's league franchise players are few and far between. Look at detroit, im sure their squad is full of franchise players.(not) But they make up a good mix...

My whole beef is that Marbury is the best player NY has had since ewing as no one gives him props for it. I guess we will be hearing a lot of chatter about him for awhile because he is not going anywhere. And if the knicks are ever to make any noise in the years to come, Marbury will have to be apart of that. Like him or not. dude has got game!