I am tired of hearing these distortions of the facts that
people say, the KVH trade was worth it because of Mohammed.

The trade was NOT Nazr for KVH.

The trade was:
NY traded Keith Van Horn to Milwaukee.
NY traded Michael Doleac and a 2005 2nd-round pick to Atlanta.
NY acquired Tim Thomas from Milwaukee.
NY acquired Nazr Mohammed from Atlanta.

Atlanta acquired Doleac and 2005 2nd-round pick from the Knicks.
Atlanta acquired Joel Przybilla from Milwaukee.


So Atlanta traded Mohammed for Doleac, Przybilla, and a second round
pick.

At that point, Przybilla, in his fourth year, had appeared in only five games for the Bucks this season, scoring one point.
Has career 2 PPG/4 RPG averages. In other words, he's a bag of
peanuts.

So while technically, yes, it was a three way deal, you can
essentially look at this deal as 2 separate deals. We definitely
could have supplied an equivalent of Przybilla to Atlanta to do
that deal on its own. So as far as I'm concerned it was:
1) KVH for TT
2) Doleac, 2nd round pick, and a bag of peanuts for Mohammed.

And while I agree that virtual trade #2 was a bargain,
I will judge trade #1 separately, and so far its been a complete bust. I don't mean to be living in the past, just wanted to set the
record straight. I'll give credit where credit is due, but
I'm not going to grant free passes on distorted facts.

Imagine an alternate present:
Mohammed/KT
KVH/Sweetney
JYD/Ariza/Penny
Houston/Crawford/Penny
Marbs/Crawford/Penny

Not only do the stats tell part of the story:
(2004: KVH 17/8 vs. TT 10/3.5)
but KVH was playing well with Marbs, had a presence on the court
while here in NY, and hit clutch shots for us.
TT has YET to find a roll on this team.

So when we discuss the(se) trade(s) let's try to keep it real.

I am not completely up on the info for this three-way, but Isiah has repeatedly said that he would NOT have traded KVH if Nazr wasn't coming to NY.... so I think everyone has assumed that it was an all or nothing thing, even if it was 2 separate transactions.

Posted by fishmike:

"The trade was NOT Nazr for KVH."

Yes it was. The bottom line is Joel was just a $$ deal for the Hawks but that made it happen. The Knicks traded KVH and Doleac and got back TT and NAzr. How is that not real and why do you care?

Fine then forget Joel.
It was 1) KVH for TT
and 2) Doleac of Nazr.
We could have done the trade with Atlanta without the trade
with Milwaukee. That is my point.

And furthermore, hindsight is 20/20. KVH has played all of 13 games this season. Yeah his numbers are way better, but they weren't at the time of the trade. And further more he is on a losing team so those numbers aren't real. But I will go on the record as sayin I really liked how he played for us.

I'd take tt for kvh any day.

Why don't we just stick one thread on the Nazy, TT, Doleac, VAn Horn thread at the top of the forum so that we don't have to have so many new threads?