What kind of players in the league.
I can see sweets being an Elton Brand 'type' of player once his post game fully matures and he stops fouling so much.

As for Ariza I can't tell. He could be the next Darius Miles from what I can see and he is not a player I like at all. However I do like Ariza.

He plays hard and jumps and runs well and his d is good, but he cant shoot or drible very well but he is quick and can get to the basket. I would trade him to phoenix for steven hunter if the numbers worked. For what he is bringing to the table he would work well in the west, the skills he needs are not very easy to develop either. As bad as this is gonna sound he also sounds like shandon anderson.

Where do you guys see Sweets and Ariza?

i see Sweets as an Armen Gilliam type player someday...i don't ever think he'll be a superstar player, but he'll be a good role player & put up solid #'s, & be a presence down low rebounding & getting to the line.

i see a ceiling of about 16/9 for Sweets...18/10 maybe in his career best year if he ever gets down to a playing weight of around 250 & learns how to stay out of foul trouble.

As for Ariza, i think he has the talent to be a future Scottie Pippen type player (not as good but that style of player), but he needs to develop that jumper & work on his ballhandle...but defensively, he has the right instincts & knack to get into passing lanes that Scottie excelled at...Ariza's got good court vision & can pass the ball too, so he's not just a defensive specialist...i see good upside for Ariza.

[Edited by - TMS on 01/03/2005 15:38:22]

Ariza = Pippen without the offensive

Sweetney = not quite Elton brand but. psychically yes but he'll never be a 20 & 10 player I don't think

Ariza has better court vision than Augmon though...i think he'll be more than just a 1 dimensional defensive player when he fully matures...he's got great instincts on the floor...right now he's just about a Tayshaun Prince w/a worse jumper but better passing skills...w/some work he can be an Allstar.

Sweetney does play D and very well. His m2m D is among the best on our team. His help D is is where he's totally lost. Once he gets comfortable with the help/team D his minutes will go up

Ariza is a mystery; its like he plays as if he were big and strong, but he looks like he's barely eaten in days.
Sweetney, is 6'8'' just like Ariza, but is 75 pounds heavier

Ariza mb a stackhouse
Sweetney mb Oliver Miller, altho he will need to still put on more weight

I see sweets as a young kurt thomas and Ariza as a young tim thomas.

They're going to turn into 2 current head coaches . . . . Sweets will be Paul SIlas and Ariza will be Michael Cooper.

Please note that both Silas and Cooper won MULTIPLE NBA titles in their playing careers as will Sweets and Ariza for YOUR NEW YORK KNICKS!!!!!

Posted by Marv:

They're going to turn into 2 current head coaches . . . . Sweets will be Paul SIlas and Ariza will be Michael Cooper.

Please note that both Silas and Cooper won MULTIPLE NBA titles in their playing careers as will Sweets and Ariza for YOUR NEW YORK KNICKS!!!!!

not a bad comparison Marv. just sweets won't be as vocal, and ariza won't be as good a 3point specialist. that's probably a better assesment than the elton brand one. sweets is no where near as mobile as brand.

Posted by NYKBocker:

At first I thought that Ariza reminded me of Pippen a lot, but then it hit me...He plays and looks like Michael Cooper of the Showtime Lakers without the outside shot. He runs like him and jumps like him. Cooper's ball handling was adequate but he can pass. Cooper was a great defender. Cooper played the passing lanes extremely well. All qualities I see in Ariza.

Sweetney? I want to say Elton Brand Lite. Well, maybe not weight wise but talent wise.

it takes more than just offensive rebounds and layups to average 20+ points like Brand does. I don't think Sweetney will average more than 14-15pts

Posted by fishmike:

Sweetney upside = Zach Randoloh
Sweetney downside = Corlis Williamson/Tractor Traylor

Ariza upside = Cross between James Posey and Darius Miles. Maybe a little Shawn Marion, but thats WAY upside.
Ariza downside = Bruce Bowen without the 3 point shot

Good analogy. That Tractor Traylor thing is very easy to see. IT takes a lot of energy to get Sweets big ass up the court.

Azira I think can be a grant hill type player. Same size and build. I can imagine Grants shot was not all that great his sophmore year. Trev's court sense is incredible. should have stayed in school, but I am glad he did not!