problably because he was in serious foul trouble or he was hurting the offense

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by gunsnewing:

problably because he was in serious foul trouble or he was hurting the offense

So why do guys want him so bad? I think the center position is locked up with Nazr until the Knicks can find a real dominant center.

Dalembert is athletic but his skill level is about the same as Nazr......Nazr might be better. All Dalembert does a little better is blocking shots.

Leave Nazr alone.

i dont agree. nazr is goood, but dalembert could have an impact where we need the most : locking the lane.
we need more of that in the paint. nazr works hard and im happy to have him now. yet, i would take dalmebert ver him any day. i just dont see why obrien use him like that, that's all.

Posted by NYKBocker:

I agree. Leave Nazr alone. He is a hard worker and has proven that he has the talent and heart to start for the Knicks. Maybe if he starts posing and screaming after each dunk he will be deemed untoachable by the fans. Go figure.

no...but if he starts blocking shots & preventing penetrators from getting easy layups, then yes, i'd consider him untouchable...Dalembert is that type of player...by the way, he also rebounds, runs the floor, is more athletic than Nazr, taller & younger...not sure how good he is at posing & screaming after dunks though...maybe i should look into that.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by NYKBocker:

I agree. Leave Nazr alone. He is a hard worker and has proven that he has the talent and heart to start for the Knicks. Maybe if he starts posing and screaming after each dunk he will be deemed untoachable by the fans. Go figure.

why do people think moving Nazr for a guy like Dalembert is a sign of disrespect? Its the other way around.

Every year since Ewing left Knick fans say the same thing...
Why cant *we* make a trade like Indy did for Jermaine Oneil
Why cant we get a guy like Ben Wallace
Why cant we get a guy like Brad Miller
Why cant we get a guy like Zach Randolph, or Theo Ratliff or any of these other bigmen who are major impact players and come up through the woodwork?

Maybe its because you dont want to trade Nazr?

Wake up people.. PLEASE. Dalembert's a season away from being a 23 year old Dikembe Mutumbo. But in a couple years when he's averaging 12/12 and 4 blocks a game will you still be excited about having a 30 year old Nazr?

Dalembert is in a different physical class than Nazr, its not about showmanship or any of that crap, plus Sam has shown he can play at a high level for an extended period of time. Not only would I trade Nazr for Dalembert, but I would take bad contract(s) back.

Agreed. Now (or this summer) is the perfect time to grab Dalembert--before he reaches his potential.

Well Steph is gonna be thirty soon should we trade him now and try to get Devin Harris?

Dalembert is good but how do the Knicks get him via trade?

Also.....they Knicks need to get better at the 3-4 but the Knicks have Ariza and Sweetney so maybe the Knicks should just wait......

It's weird.

Still right now......leave Nazr alone until Dalembert can be had during the off-season.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by NYKBocker:

I agree. Leave Nazr alone. He is a hard worker and has proven that he has the talent and heart to start for the Knicks. Maybe if he starts posing and screaming after each dunk he will be deemed untoachable by the fans. Go figure.

why do people think moving Nazr for a guy like Dalembert is a sign of disrespect? Its the other way around.

Every year since Ewing left Knick fans say the same thing...
Why cant *we* make a trade like Indy did for Jermaine Oneil
Why cant we get a guy like Ben Wallace
Why cant we get a guy like Brad Miller
Why cant we get a guy like Zach Randolph, or Theo Ratliff or any of these other bigmen who are major impact players and come up through the woodwork?

Maybe its because you dont want to trade Nazr?

Wake up people.. PLEASE. Dalembert's a season away from being a 23 year old Dikembe Mutumbo. But in a couple years when he's averaging 12/12 and 4 blocks a game will you still be excited about having a 30 year old Nazr?

Dalembert is in a different physical class than Nazr, its not about showmanship or any of that crap, plus Sam has shown he can play at a high level for an extended period of time. Not only would I trade Nazr for Dalembert, but I would take bad contract(s) back.

Jermaine O'Neal and Ben Wallace didn't do anything till they got to their present teams. They were given a chance and they produced. Nazr was a bench player with the Hawks. He came to the Knicks and he has done nothing but PRODUCE and get better. At first we said the guy can't score and that the only thing he can do is rebound. Then he starts racking double-doubles. Then we said he has no post game. Notice his moves in the post lately? Then we said his post defense is not good. His post defense is no longer a liability since he has learned how to front people due to his lack of strength to keep out BIG centers far from the post. We said he is not a good help defender. He started getting his blocks and steals. He just keeps getting better and better. If you ask me, he is our Ben Wallace. Our Jermaine O'Neal. We as a group tend to look so hard for the next big thing and miss out that maybe we already have that STUD big that we need.

You also used Randolph in your example. I think you compare that cat to Sweetney since both were drafted by their present teams.

Also, if Dalembert is so good, why can't he crack the starting lineup. Is Marc Jackson that much better? How about Kenny Thomas? He can't beat out a 6'7" PF? Hmmmm.

I don't know much about Dalembert and can only go by what is being said in this forum, but at the current state, I beleive it would be foolish to trade Nazr for Dalembert.

This season Nazr has improved dramatically in all aspects of his game and he looks like is getting better every week.

CARREER - NYK 04
7.2 - 12.3 PPG
5.7 - 9.4 RPG (2nd in the league for OR)
.479 - .528 FG%
.65 - 1.21 BPG
.61 - 1.18 SPG

I would trade Nazr for Dalembert in a heart beat. I would love to keep Nazr out of any trades and get both of them...but if that's the price, I'm willing to make it.
Nazr has been unbelievable compared to what we all thought he would be, but in 4 more years (when Dalembert is as old as Nazr is now) Sammy has the chance to be so much better. He is that intimidator in the paint that we can groom.

If it's necessary to go by stats, it's only fair to mention Nazr's mpg went from 18.7 to 30.1
You also may want to take a look at Sammy's. You may be pleasantly surprised.

I love Nazr, and hell, I've been voting him for the allstar game, but after watching Dalembert, it's hard for me to prefer Nazr instead of him.

Nazr isnt a shot blocker. Any blocks he gets are when other players are trying to put back offensive boards. When have you ever seen Nazr swat shots away when other players penetrate. Nazr is NOT a long player. Its not the inch in height, its the 6 inches in wingspan and quickness.

Has anyone checked our record? We are a .500 team and cant beat good teams.

This reminds me of when people didnt want to trade KT in the middle of his 14/9 season (playing center) because good forbid who would play center?

Imagine if we had gotten a draft pick for him and added Mickaël Pietrus, Caron Butler or Wilcox?

Unless your already #1 you HAVE to constantly look to get younger and bigger and better.

Please stop telling me Dalembert isnt worth it if you havent seen him play more than 20 minutes

OK. We agree to diasagree. I like Nazr. I am loyal to a fault. Point well taken on not seeing Dalembert.

IF he gets traded to the Knicks by using NAzr. Fine. I will support him unless he starts acting like TT.

BUT. If I am IT, I use other players to get him rather than sending Nazr.