Isiah is the one that put a roster, of guys who don't play defense, together. If you have the impatience to really really really want to fire Lenny, then it's only justified if you want to fire Isiah.

Take in mind. I don't want to fire ANYONE. I want to make trades, so that the defense can and will improve, particularly on the interior. I want to go for bigs like Dalembert and Kwame. More so Dalembert. Chris Wilcox is another guy that I like. I don't think he's attainable, but he's a guy I'd go for.

Point is, if you are going to have patience for the roster and for Isiah, then you have to have equal patience for Lenny. It's not his fault that he has guys that don't defend. Defense is not about MOTIVATION. Any guy who plays basketball knows that.

I am not a great ball player by any standards, nor am I partiularly QUICK. But I almost always play my hardest on defense, and those are in pick up games. Meaning, I don't have a COACH to MOTIVATE ME. I almost always play good defense. And believe me, I am not even a college division 3 player. I love to play, but I am just not at that level. Meaning, if someone like me doesn't need to be motivated to play good defense, then these pro ball players, who ooze with a passion for the game, definitely shouldn't need to be motivated to play.

I put a hand up 100% of the time. If someone beats me, it's b/c they are either really explosive (Like I said, I am not that quick and I can't react as quickly to the explosive players) or if they overpowered me completely, of if they just completely played better than my good defense and totally earned it.

Either you play defense, or you don't. It's YOUR CHOICE to go out and play. You don't do it for your coach. You do it for yourself and the team. Take a GOOD defender like Chauncey Billups. Does he play defense b/c Larry Brown tells him to play defense? OF COURSE NOT. He plays it, b/c that's part of his game.

If Steph, Jamal and Timmy become good defenders, it's b/c they completely had THEMSELVES change their mindset. Not b/c LENNY or Aguire or Isiah or anyone motivated or told them to become good defenders.

Allanfan, you need a flower. No one is getting fired. It is just Knicks fans can be zany, ya know...

Also don't get Islesfan all excited with a fire Isiah thread.

wow guys, there seems to be a kind of overreacting here.

ok allan, we'll keep your friend lenny ! =)

Fear is good for the short term, but it wears off eventually and players go back to old habits.

Look, I am not overreacting here. I SAID I don't think Isiah should be fired, b/c I like the direction we are headed. And take note, I am NOT a Lenny OR an Isiah fan. But I like how Lenny is dealing with the team, and I like what Isiah is starting to put together. We are not complete. Isiah has said it himself a trillion times.

My point was that defense is all about the mindset of the players. 99.9% of the times, a player doesn't play defense b/c of the coach or assistant coach or GM or their mothers. And if fear has anything to do with it, it's fear of being embarrassed by other players and NOT fear of being traded or being taken out of the game.

Posted by KNICKSdom:

Allanfan, you need a flower.

LOL! Classic...