Remember Marbs got busted for DWI in phoenix.

Anybody think he has a drinking problem(not like baker had) and shows lack of concentration or leadership at times during games.

Posted by playa2:

Remember Marbs got busted for DWI in phoenix.

Anybody think he has a drinking problem(not like baker had) and shows lack of concentration or leadership at times during games.

OMFG! U are such a homo playa! I never lose my cool with anyone else but always get under my skin. Congratulations, you have pissed me off. Are you happy now?

P.S: You do not make forums, they do perfectly fine without you. You suck, fuk you!

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Its to early to call it a failure and to early to panic. There are still moves to be made and still developing to do. People say they would rather rebuild but I don't see the patience. In the situation Zeke was put in we all knew it was going to take time to get it straight. Just because he made moves quickly it doesn't change that. He added some more salary but none of it other than Marbury, Thomas, Sweetney, Crawford exceed 07 which we would have been over the cap until anyway even if we did nothing. Its not like he was put in a position with cap space and exceeding contracts and high draft picks. If that was the case then yea everything should have been turned around alot quicker.

You may say Marbury was a marketing ploy but all quality teams have a star and the Knicks didn't have one. We gave up Milos, Ward, Eisley, Dice, Lampe and 2 first rd picks for Marbury & Hardaway and tell u the truth that was a pretty cheap price. It might have been the first time that a star wasn't traded for another star. I don't think there was any other team willing to make a move like that giving up there stud. If we traded Marbury today think of the quality players we would get back which is why it was a great move because Marbury will allways have high value its not a move were we would be stuck in.

Would u guys have really rather have just let Dice, Mutombo, Harrington, Frankie, Ward, Kurt Thomas walk sit back and wait the next few yrs as Eisley, Anderson, Spoon, Houston expire in 06 & 07 so that we could finally have cap space. Suck really badly during that time and just draft hopeing to find the next Hakeem, Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron?? Both plans require time and patience. Why should the road we are taking now not get the same time and patience as the tear down and rebuild plan?? If we choose to rebuild and didn't build a quality team in a 1 yr span would the rebuilding be a failure??

Excellent post.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by playa2:

Remember Marbs got busted for DWI in phoenix.

Anybody think he has a drinking problem(not like baker had) and shows lack of concentration or leadership at times during games.

OMFG! U are such a homo playa! I never lose my cool with anyone else but always get under my skin. Congratulations, you have pissed me off. Are you happy now?

P.S: You do not make forums, they do perfectly fine without you. You suck, fuk you!

Let him be. He's just here to be a basketball comedian. He's not actually trying to add anything meaningful.

The only move where the Knicks took back significant payroll was the Marbury move.

As for last summer, most teams added more to the long-term payroll than the Knicks did. (The Knicks' net increase was about $65 mil.) The payroll was huge before Isiah got here and is only a little bigger now.

The team is one year removed from being a consistent 30 win team. I don't know how much above .500 people expected Isiah to make this team in just a 1 year span

That was an excellecnt post, but the question is, why is Isiah held at such a high esteem, beyond any critical comments, when he has made some mistakes, and has really yet to accomplish?

To say that “he is beyond critical comments” speaks more to your biases than anyone else.

I don’t see how anyone who looks at Isiah’s job objectively can be upset at his moves. Only those with an agenda can be upset. Seems some want him to fail, and then become angry when others don’t share that passion. If you’re an actual Knick fan what are we supposed to be mad at him for exactly?

What are we expecting him to accomplish in a years time? Should he have already assembled a world championship team by now? All logic be dammed.

At this time last year we were way under .500 with a roster that was the laughingstock of the league and ridiculed at every turn. Now we are over .500 and in first place with a much improved roster and a promising future …You don’t think its fair to recognize the fact that he was handed a talent roster high on payroll and low on discernable talent? Or is one year now deemed ancient history?

What are Isiah’s tangible mistakes? i.e, true mistakes that warrant criticism and put into question his G.M aptitude. The Marbury trade is looking like a steal…the Crawford trade damn sure was one…Tim Thomas has been unproductive, but his lack of production is clearly offset by Nazy who is playing at an All-Star level . Lenny Wilkins isn’t the end all be all, but he is merely a plug in. Ariza was an excellent 2nd round pick.

.To follow up on NYNY’s post, I’ve never really heard a logical explanation for why the “rebuild” types aren’t willing to give Isiah the same patience and latitude. If you subscribe to the philosophy of giving up, creating cap space and crossing your fingers in the lottery which is a multi-year process, then why isn’t Isiah afforded that same luxury in regards to patience. Your talking about the same time frame, just a different road, hence one cant criticize unless a full picture emerges. I have never heard a straight answer to that... Seems mighty hypocritical.

Yeah!

Posted by Nalod:

That was an excellecnt post, but the question is, why is Isiah held at such a high esteem, beyond any critical comments, when he has made some mistakes, and has really yet to accomplish?

I am not saying we are not better off, just is Isiah it all?

I hear Lenny get bashed,and very few blame Isiah for the possible "panic" hiring after "chaneyGate" when Isiah fired the coach two hours before a game.

Its not that anyone thinks the Layden era was better, or wants to go back there, but at some point we must expect better than just what we had 14 mos ago.

I am one who believes that a coach is only as good as his players. So I am definatly a supporter of the idea that it falls on the GM to build a quality team for the coach. I think its to early to judge Zeke. Even how well Marbury plays falls on Zeke in the end. I believe what he does with Tim Thomas, Hardaway, Norris, Baker's expiring contracts, the mid level, and this yrs draft picks is when the heat should be put on. And him going after a Chandler, Curry, Dalembert, Swift, Brown or another quality big man that I didn't list. Or even what he does with Houston's huge expiring contract.

He turned Eisley-Ward-Williams,Anderson-Houston,KVH,Dice-Thomas-Sweetney-Spoon-Harrington-Lampe,Mutombo-Doleac-Vranes into Marbury-Norris-Brewer, Crawford-Houston, Thomas-Ariza, Thomas-Sweetney-JYD, Muhammad-Baker-Sundov. This team we currently have has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more flexablility to make moves which makes it already a job well done. Before we were basically STUCK with Shanvis Eisleyspoon unless we gave up something of value. The talent ain't bad either comparing both teams. Now that we have flexability we can work on getting more balanced and more talent.