Posted by teslawlo:

... and joe johnson, and quentin richardson, and a significant change in playing style and attitude... sometimes like up in seattle, it takes a few years with the same core for teams to gel.
added to the fact marion and stoudemire have improved their games...

Also that Amare was injured last year before Stephon got traded. The eyar the played together (Amare's rookie year) they went to the playoffs and played SA tough. Nash is working wonders for them but Marbury is no punk playing PG.

Posted by crzymdups:

You think its Nash and not Amare developing into a top 5 bigman?

It's obviously Amare.

i cant wait to see them play in the playoffs.

its the first time im not sure that a scoring team has no chance to succeed.

intriguing.

Hey, I like Marbury as much as the next guy. But it might not be just coincidence that J Kidd in NJ and Nash in Phoenix took those teams to places Marbury couldn't. Minnesota took a bit longer to get better after he left.

Nash and kidd are high energy talent that run and run more!

They move fast, and make quick passes that seem to drive a team.

Marbs is not like that. Marbs is a special talent but I don't think he is really a point guard no matter how many assists he gets.

KIdd and nash really are the only two in the League that have that kind of impact.

I don't know if anyone has really figured out how to best put Steph in the right situation. Its a work in progress here, should be interesting!

why are we so defensive about Marbs that we must justify his teammates in past years and in a way "make excuses" about his past?

He is like only the second player to avg 20 pts and 8 assist in a career since Oscar Robertson.

Like the Big O, he was labled a great player in .500 teams. Not until he hooked up with a skinny kid named Lou Alcinder did he win a championship.

Marbs, like Kidd and Nash cannot win games on their own. There are dynamics behind all teams and the years in which they were there.

Nash and Kidd are leaders whom control the pace of their teams. If Marbs has failed in his career thus far is his abilty to be a thinking quarterback of the team. He is a superieor athlete, but has yet to be accomplished as a floor general.

If its his selfishness, lack of concentration, or lack of maturity then so be it. But we don't have to make excuese's up for him!

In the end we are all judged by our record!

We are younger and more athletic! That is the answer you seek!

Marion and Starudemaire suck! We are younger and more athletic! Ok!

Q and JJ suck! We are younger and morea athletic! Ok!

You want eisley, Fat spoon and Shandon back, With Layden! No, I did not think so! we are younger and more athletic!

Because saying that the Knicks are more athletic, younger, have a brighter future, and are flat out better than the Layden regime makes US bitter and out of touch with reality. There is no way that there is any truth whatsoever to those statements, we just simply have “kool aid” dribbling down the side of our mouths….Layden sucked, get over it…Aren‘t those your words? ...quess it must be some conspiracy.

….Anyway, why is the success of Marbury’s past teams an indictment on him…Was Amare as good as he is now, and did he have Q Rich? Did he have Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson in NJ? I mean, there are criticisms one can aim towards Marbury, especially in the past behavior, but this stuff seems more than unfair. Marbury took the Suns as far as they could go when they made the playoffs

Suns have the best record, yes, best team? I don't think so.. now as far as nash goes, he has had the privelege of playing with the mavs, and the mavs have gotten off to a similar start before, only to fizzle in the playoffs, but for those who like to point out marbury's shortcommings lets take a look at this..

Both nash and kidd are good floor generals, blah, blah, blah, but to win in this league, PG or not, you must score and play big in big games..

Jason kidd in a huge game vs detroit last year, got killed by billups and scored like what 0 points or some low number, at some times running around in circles and making passes doesn't make you a leader, doing what your team needs when they can't do it makes you a leader and kidd has also failed on a number of occasions because of his inability to score when it counts..

Nash: now nash tends to wear down late in the season, but I will point back to the series vs the kings, nash was completely outplayed by mike bibby, on both ends of the floor and also was bench a lot during crunch time in favor of NVE, who By the way was a scoring PG, and was able to come up big for the mavs... and tell me with all the talent nash had in dallas, why haven't they gone farther?

I think the floor general cliche crap is a bit over played, true a PG must be a leader, but passing the ball, when you are open to other open players does not necessarily make you a leader.

Another question, tell me the last time a PG that played the style of ball Kid and nash played, and who were either the best or one of two best players on his team ever win a championship? Not kidd, nash, stockton, or mark price..

But it is odd, guys who can score from the PG position have had a great deal of success, billups, Isiah Thomas, magic johnson.

I think a PG who can lead a team is one who can score and keep his team involved, marbury I think is that type of player, will it lead us to the promised land? maybey, with the right talent it will, but I am so tired of hearing about how he failed, yet we have not seen the other two guards, with more talent around them win either..