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djsunyc
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12/23/2004  11:52 AM
Though Thomas will try to make a move by Feb. 24's trading deadline, he realizes he'll be in better position to do sign-and-trades during this summer's free agency when he has a host of expiring contracts as pawns, most notably Tim Thomas and Penny Hardaway.

Interesting big men free-agent targets will likely include, Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Antoine Walker and centers Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Stromile Swift.

"We're positioned for the future," Isiah said. "We got young players, assets we could probably use in the summer if we wanted to do. But we do know we have a ways to go."

The Knick president knows more than anyone that trades are made nowadays based on contracts, not talent. That's how he got Jamal Crawford last August in a sign-and-trade, giving up four players with expiring contracts.

Moochie Norris', Vin Baker's and Nazr Mahammed's pacts also expire after next season.


reef and toine are scary and definitely what this team doesn't need. Z is good but:
1. he would be a MAX player
2. would cle let him go
3. is he the right fit

swift - i like swift but what is he worth? $8 mil is alot but you may have to do it. does he start at PF? if so, what about sweetney? what would memphis want in return.

it looks like we'll have to offer curry/dalembert/kwame a MAX $80mil deal in a sign and trade for tim or penny. then use nazr+vin+moochie in another sign+trade for someone else.

our offseason move potential looks good. the question is, can we all be patient enough?
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12/23/2004  11:59 AM
so Kwame, Dalembert, and Curry are worth max deals?

Are you Chris Mullin?

They will be lucky to get Crawford money. Not no max deal.

Atlanta and Portland will let Shareef and Walker walk before either except Penny or Timmy.

Isiah is gonna have to try and get someone with a equal contract but with more years if he is gonna trade Penny or Timmy. No one rings a bell at this time.
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12/23/2004  12:00 PM
This is silly, Just start Sweetney and watch the Knicks turn it around. That is the missing link. In the summer look for a real coach Phil Jackson or new blood Marc Ivaroni.
djsunyc
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12/23/2004  12:02 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

so Kwame, Dalembert, and Curry are worth max deals?

uhh, yeah. if 30 year old PF's are getting $8 mil/year, then 21-22 year old centers that can play WILL get max money. all three of these guys will make at least $70 mil a piece.

believe dat.
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12/23/2004  12:03 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

so Kwame, Dalembert, and Curry are worth max deals?

Are you Chris Mullin?

They will be lucky to get Crawford money. Not no max deal.

Atlanta and Portland will let Shareef and Walker walk before either except Penny or Timmy.

Isiah is gonna have to try and get someone with a equal contract but with more years if he is gonna trade Penny or Timmy. No one rings a bell at this time.

Chris has made some bad moves but one move that he made right was Murphy. He is getting better and better. 16-10 player right now. The Knicks really need a Curry type player if they want Phil to coach them.
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12/23/2004  12:07 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by EnySpree:

so Kwame, Dalembert, and Curry are worth max deals?

Are you Chris Mullin?

They will be lucky to get Crawford money. Not no max deal.

Atlanta and Portland will let Shareef and Walker walk before either except Penny or Timmy.

Isiah is gonna have to try and get someone with a equal contract but with more years if he is gonna trade Penny or Timmy. No one rings a bell at this time.

Chris has made some bad moves but one move that he made right was Murphy. He is getting better and better. 16-10 player right now. The Knicks really need a Curry type player if they want Phil to coach them.

I'm refering to Foyle's crazy contract.

Murphy was already there and is worth whatever he makes.

Curry is a guy the Knicks need but look at what the Bulls are doing now....they have been winning lately. Curry might be off the radar this off-season. Bulls just might resign him.

[Edited by - enyspree on 12/23/2004 12:07:49]
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12/23/2004  12:25 PM
True Tin Foyle was a bad signing.
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12/23/2004  1:22 PM
the post has no idea what they are talking about in general but they are right about one aspect, and that is saving your assets until they have the most value. If I can trade TT for Patterson I do it, but otherwise your best bet is to just keep him and either use his expiring contract or let him walk at the end of next year (my preference)
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12/24/2004  4:38 PM
reef and toine are scary and definitely what this team doesn't need.

toine is not what we need, but reef? A player with a thorough low post game who rebounds and can shoot the 3. How could he possibly not be what we need. Sweets is a developing talent but he is not that low post threat just yet. Reef is and he puts up some really crazy numbers at times. All we need is 15 and 10 from him. He could likely give us much more though. I just don't understand why several people seem to think he isn't bringing things to the table that we need.

these are our needs:
LOW-POST SCORING
BLOCK SHOTS
PRESENCE IN THE MIDDLE

Reef fits one of those needs. We would still need to add another piece, but there is only curry and dalembert and we may only have a chance at dalembert. We could get reef and a project 7 footer like steven hunter or diop and train them towards defending the paint.

something to think about because its difficult to get everything we need in one.
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