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KNICKSdom
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12/23/2004  9:58 AM
The Knicks will still be a better team than last year. I got to admit that the Dallas lose was pretty bad. Don't know what happened there except the Knicks' energy was MIA. The Boston lose is a tough close one like many of the games we have come to see.

Also I have observed that Kurt Thomas is getting beat badly on the defensive side by stronger bigger athletic PFs. This is very concerning, it could be a telling sign that Kurt is already pretty banged up from his battles through the years in the NBA. If I was Lenny, I would bench Kurt and start JYD at PF. Kurt can come off the bench and spell Nazr at C while Sweets still get his mins off the bench at PF replacing JYD. At least JYD plays agressive D and can defend the other team's best PF like a pest unlike Kurt. JYD is athletic enuff to run with Marbury and Jamal in the O and score in transition if need be. He is got a good mid-range jumper going whenever he is left open but the key is he can get down to the hole and at least draw fouls. Something has to be done or we will continue to see blow out losses and heartbreakers.
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12/23/2004  10:20 AM
If you replace KT you have to replace TT also. You cant put Sweetney out there with 3 wing players that cant defend against penetration. Sweetney's help D is bad he will be on the bench in 4 minutes. JYD is have a hard time guarding a lot of 3's but he's done it before and he can get by conceeding the 18 footer to keep his guy out of the paint.

Marbury
Crawford
JYD
Sweetney
Nazr

I would give that a 10 game try and when the guards arent pushing the ball run the offense through Sweetney in the post. He never forces shots and makes very good passes out of the post.
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djsunyc
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12/23/2004  10:23 AM
fish, take your post and send it to lenny.wilkens @ nyknicks.com

if that doesn't work, send a text message to isiah at 1800-cweb2nyk


[Edited by - djsunyc on 12/23/2004 10:23:57]
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12/23/2004  10:26 AM
Posted by fishmike:

If you replace KT you have to replace TT also. You cant put Sweetney out there with 3 wing players that cant defend against penetration. Sweetney's help D is bad he will be on the bench in 4 minutes. JYD is have a hard time guarding a lot of 3's but he's done it before and he can get by conceeding the 18 footer to keep his guy out of the paint.

Marbury
Crawford
JYD
Sweetney
Nazr

I would give that a 10 game try and when the guards arent pushing the ball run the offense through Sweetney in the post.
He never forces shots and makes very good passes out of the post.

Looks good to me. At this moment, an experiment that may bring good things both defensively and offensively may not hurt a team that knows a lot of ways to hurt themselves. Try it...
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12/23/2004  10:28 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

fish, take your post and send it to lenny.wilkens @ nyknicks.com

if that doesn't work, send a text message to isiah at 1800-cweb2nyk


[Edited by - djsunyc on 12/23/2004 10:23:57]

Hmmmm.... Seems suspicious to me...
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12/23/2004  10:28 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Marbury
Crawford
JYD
Sweetney
Nazr

Hmmm....and a second unit that had KT, TT, Houston + others....not bad.
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djsunyc
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12/23/2004  10:42 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

fish, take your post and send it to lenny.wilkens @ nyknicks.com

if that doesn't work, send a text message to isiah at 1800-cweb2nyk

Hmmmm.... Seems suspicious to me...

sorry, that was his old #. it's now 1800-koolaid
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12/23/2004  10:52 AM
Posted by fishmike:

If you replace KT you have to replace TT also.

I'll do you one better. TT's coming around - another couple of games in a row like last night and he'll have recouped his lost value from early this season and be back to where he stood on the market last year. Then I'd package TT, KT and Nazr and get one of the young bigs that everybody's coveting. You know these teams that are a bit more "resource-challenged" than the Knicks are scared about how much dough it's going to take to re-sign these guys. Plus they can unnload some expensive junk on us to make the trade work (a la Penny. Sorry Penny-lovers). We'd now have our young big along with Sweets, Ariza, Marbs, Craw, JYD, Houston and retaining our #1. Continuing to rebuild on the fly. Gotta get rid of Lenny pretty soon too, tho.
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12/23/2004  12:14 PM
So now KT should be benched or traded?

What abotu him being the best low post defender and awesome in the pick and roll?
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12/23/2004  12:14 PM
KT is the NYK pf by default. After LJ retired he was thrown into the mix and since then the Knicks have been terrible absolutely terrible. He is the problem and will be the problem please remove him from the starting lineup and concentrate on the post more during the course of the game. With Marbury and Crawford, TT and KT all chucking it from the outside this team has no balance. 70% of the shot come from the perimeter. Having a PF that stands 15-20 feet out doesn't help the situation.

If Lenny want to win the fans over and save his job make the move to Sweetney to buy sometime. This is the move that will turn the NYK fortunes around. If he isn't going to do that then I want the Knicks to tank like there is no tommarow because I don't want a useless playoff birth I would rather get talent from the draft.

As for Defense I would be willing to part with Nazr for Damlambert or Kwame. I think these young guys can help the Knicks in the defense dept.
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12/23/2004  1:03 PM
Kt would be nice with a true lost post center. What we have is a nice hustle player thats a little undersized there. We have no inside outside at all, except when Sweetney is playing. Even the pick and roll is played out some.. teams know if you defend that then the Knicks offense becomes guards chucking jumpers. If you dont defend it then KT from 15-18 feet is the Knicks main scoring threat.
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12/23/2004  1:09 PM
I don't care who starts. I just want Sweetney to get a reasonable number of minutes. He should get at least 20 per game. He's playing a lot better. If you're into plus/minus (on/off court) numbers, his are much beteter than Kurt's also. He just brings a lot more to the table. Baker should never be getting playing time. JYD should always be playing behind Sweetney. That should free up at least 20 mpg for Mike.
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12/23/2004  2:31 PM
you know, maybe isiah and lenny are committed to sweetney. and he will get his minutes AFTER the trading deadline. maybe they're just trying to pump up kurt's #'s so they can trade him. maybe sweetney gets the nod in february? who knows, but it's a possible scenario.
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12/23/2004  2:39 PM
People wakeup and smell the coffee. KT sucks always has and always will. His game is to one dementional. His defense sucks he unathletic. There is a reason why ever since KT has been in the lineup the Knicks are 25+ games below .500. As for dealing him for Foyle and Pietrus I think you guys once again overvaluing a player that averages 11 points a game because he wears orange and blue.
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12/23/2004  3:04 PM
more than GS values a player scoring 2.3 points a game? That deal makes a lot of sense for GS.
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12/23/2004  3:14 PM
Posted by fishmike:

more than GS values a player scoring 2.3 points a game? That deal makes a lot of sense for GS.

I don't think it makes sense for them. First off they have Murphy at PF who is averaging 16-10 for them. KT isn't a center why would GS do this trade when they won't get a center in return for Foyle and Pietrus who has loads of potential. I'm sorry but from a GS point of view this deal absolutely blows. If you want that deal made add Ariza to the mix then it makes sense for GS. Now are you will to do that trade.
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12/23/2004  8:58 PM
Folks- KT is not the problem- unless you replace him with Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett- WHERE IS THE UPGRADE?

I am intrigued with starting JYD at the 4 (KNICKSdom's original post)

if KT is getting beat by better players, its cause they're better and they'll beat just about anyone we march out at the 4 spot.

And please, there is no stud coming here in a trade anytime soon.

KT rebounds the ball and hits the open 15ft with quite a bit of consistancy.

Is he the best PF in the league? No. Lets be honest, he's in the middle of the pack, he's not the worst one out there.
Kurt Thomas to the bench campaign

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