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Bonn1997
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12/22/2004  11:01 PM
Just wondering if anyone does want to keep him or if 100% of us want someone else
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12/22/2004  11:08 PM
If you can tell me what coach will make us a much better team, than I am all ears. The goal is to be a championship contender. Lenny is a Hall of Fame coach. He knows what he's doing a little more than us. And there aren't many players on our team that can play defense. Jerome is a good player as is KT, but they are aging and have limits. Nazr was overrated by a lot of us. He's still not a threatening defensive presence. Houston is old. Crawford and Marbury are bad defenders. Fugazy is fugazy. Ariza plays his arse off, but he's still way inexperienced and skinny as all hell. Sweetney is making strides, but he needs to make more strides. Hence, getting a new coach wont make things better here. Lenny is a MUCH better coach than Don Chaney, yet you can see how getting a new coach does nothing, unless you have the right blend of players. This whole team is a work in progress.

Personally, I could care less who the coach is. That's the way I felt when Chaney was coach (Although, I really really wanted Rudy T) and that's the way I feel now.
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12/22/2004  11:33 PM
after the last two games and only because of the blow-outs or should i say we are losing and lenny has no answer for this team to play defense should we wanna keep him ?.....hahaha, we're stuck with him!
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12/22/2004  11:43 PM
Do I want to keep him? No. Do we need him because he is our coach and the season has already started? Unfortunately, yes...

[Edited by - KnicksFan on 12/22/2004 23:51:49]
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12/22/2004  11:45 PM
coaches have been fired before in the middle of the season you know and new coaches have come in and sparked their teams...especially at this stage in the season where it's still early. If IT doesn't fire him now these collapses will continue and then everyone is going to be chanting fire Lenny..then when IT does it will be too late in the season.

Fire Him tomorrow morning..why wait!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12/22/2004 23:46:43]
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12/22/2004  11:52 PM
Any coach who can fire up the team, give them some tough love. That means being harsh as hell on the players when they're not playing hard and smart. Are there guys out there available with bigger *names* than Lenny Wilkens? No. Do we need a *big name* coach? No.
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12/22/2004  11:59 PM
I don't know. Its bad when you fire a coach in the middle of the season, bring another one with a different playbook and a different way of making things. Its tough for the players to suddenly forget what they were taught and learn a new system while also trying to win all the games they can because they are expected to make the playoffs. Its tough, not to say that I wouldn't like to see this team working harder, but... I don't know...
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12/23/2004  12:00 AM
how about Bobby Knight...would he be firery enough?
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12/23/2004  12:00 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:

I don't know. Its bad when you fire a coach in the middle of the season, bring another one with a different playbook and a different way of making things. Its tough for the players to suddenly forget what they were taught and learn a new system while also trying to win all the games they can because they are expected to make the playoffs. Its tough, not to say that I wouldn't like to see this team working harder, but... I don't know...
Suhr and Aguirre should know the playbook decently by now
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12/23/2004  12:02 AM
yeah....this may be why chaney had to go we needed that big name coach



[Edited by - Bobby on 12/23/2004 00:36:53]
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12/23/2004  12:16 AM
this is an expensive and risky route. they ar already paying Don Chaney and Lenny a combined 6.5mm this year and lenny has another year at 4mm +
this was a hand picked move by isiah, so he has to admit to a big mistake--if that is what it is? and at this point i dont think he would do it. very risky what happens if they bring someone else in and they stay a .500 club or even get worse? it could happen, anything can and will happen in NY. you are not getting phil jackson and if you had a chance at Phil next year, you throw it out the window, because you would have to give a new guy a 3 yr contract. an assistant coach? mark malone? hes younger and on staff, i dont think they would need to alter his contract that much--they did kick his dads arse out the door.

they might do it, will it alter things so much i dont think so.
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12/23/2004  12:50 AM
no way should zeke be even thinking about replacing lenny. zeke may have to let at least 2 years expire just to show good faith in his hasty selection....as a minimum. if ny continues to produce golden momements as displayed in the last 2 games, should we look to zeke to play bah humbug?
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12/23/2004  3:18 AM
i'd love to see him go, since i was very upset when he was hired.

our guys need to have their butt kicked, and leeny can't do that.

yet, IT wont fire him. The team is still very flawed, and playing a new card (suhr, aguirre) now would not have the results.

i guess when we'll have a big man likre dalemebert, swift i dont know i'm on crack, lenny will have no excuses.
it will be esaier to fire him, and the guy coming for him will have a easier task.

this team is a work in progress, and lenny is here to weather the storm.
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12/23/2004  6:31 AM
I want Fratello.
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12/23/2004  7:55 AM
Posted by Rich:

I want Fratello.

do you read the papers sometimes ? =)
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12/23/2004  8:56 AM
Zeke hired Lenny/ fans got aroused/ hof coach/ but Lenny's head's in the clouds.

Now that he's failing/ what's the excuse/ the knot's getting tighter/

Cut Lenny loose.

Bring Zeke to the sidelines/ Let him steer his own ship/ with Aguirre is boy/ they would be sewn at the hip.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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12/23/2004  9:36 AM
I wouldn't mind having isiah, aguirre, malone or suhr as coach til the season is over then IT can make a serious push at Phil Jackson
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12/23/2004  9:57 AM
I have no problem with Lenny at all. You can pick apart each loss and say why didnt Lenny do this or that but that doesnt make any sense to me.

With 25 games you get a pretty good idea of what's right and wrong with this team.

what right is we score and we are pretty good on the boards. We get a good amount of steals and are much improved at getting to the line. We also have some guys that can hit big shots and that has bailed us out in some games we should have lost (Hou, Phili, Hawks come to mind)

whats wrong is we dont play defense with any consistancy, and when the shot isnt falling we cant get stops at the other end to keep us in the game. Last night is a perfect example.

whats wrong is we are getting beat EVERY NIGHT at the 3/4 positions. Yes.. its nice that KT has his nights where he hits all his open jumpers but you should be able to get that from anyone. What we need is someone that plays like Sweetney does for 30-40 minutes a game, NOT someone who gets 95% of their points off open jumper from guard penetration.

Then you have SF where when TT is playing well (hitting his shots) we still get beat there because he doesnt board or play D. Who was he guarding last night? The night before?

Whats wrong is for the most part when Marbury comes out we collapse. Moochie has had a couple good moments but this is a big problem for the most part. Steph has also been pretty bad defensively.

Now tell me... which of this is another coach going to fix?

Is another coach going to teach KT to be a post player?
Is another coach going to fix the backup PG problem?
Is another coach going fix whats wrong with TT?
Is another coach going to get guys who have never played great defense (Marbury, Houston, Crawford, TT, Nazr, Baker, Moochie, Penny, most of our team) to play great defense?

If these are YES then sure.. get us a new coach. To me they look more like personel problems to me.

If after 26 games you really think we are .500 because Jerome doesnt play more or Sweetney isnt starting or TT isnt PF (holla DIDO) then ignore this arguement.
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12/23/2004  9:59 AM
We need a big man like Curry to have a chance at Phil Jackson...
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12/23/2004  10:11 AM
Is another coach going to teach KT to be a post player?
-No, but he'll start Sweetney or at least give him more minutes.

Is another coach going to fix the backup PG problem?
-Yes, Moochie won't see the light of day.

Is another coach going fix whats wrong with TT?
-Yes..maybe, we'll find out. At least he may use him more effectively and not bench him when he's finally hot and the only guy scoring.

Is another coach going to get guys who have never played great defense (Marbury, Houston, Crawford, TT, Nazr, Baker, Moochie, Penny, most of our team) to play great defense?
-No, but he will get them to play harder
Does anyone want to keep Lenny?

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