All the excitement of how Jamal can score 50 pts and he is the next "RIP" is all fine, but the reason the bulls did not want to pay up is he is a wild child. This does not change "overnite" and he is technically a backup to Allan. IF miss gazy had any game left, that is how it would play out. The idea was to "culture" Jamal to take better shots. No one complains when he hits those game winners, but when the game is on the line it like run him out of town or hang him high! Give it time fellas!

Marbury also is a work in progress. Last nite he was selfish wanting to take it to the Pistons and show them up at times. He was calling for the ball at one time in the 4th qtr and was egged on by the detroit bench for Rip or Billups to push him left, and he did,and pulled a real nice shot. He stared down the bench. That was when the game was lost! Marbs lost control of the game when he took the game to the pistons, instead of letting it come to him and controling the tempo!

These are the mistakes I expect these two to make, and get it better over the next 2 years. Thats right, two years! Last nite was a learning experience and those two cracked under pressure. They will progress, but also have setbacks! They don't get rid of their reputations overnite!

Lets be real also, we are not a tier one team just yet!

For Sweets, He does not look right these days. Maybe he is hurting, but the fouls pile up quick jon him, and his body language during timeouts is really dejected. Don't just blame lenny, we have a slew of coaches and a GM very much involved in many phases of this team. I don't think Lenny is just all stupid about Sweets, there is a plan before each game and a reason why some play, and some don't.

Last nite was a playoff type game with a short rotation. Allan looked nice and will still need 10 games or so to get it together. If he can go at SF that would be huge.

The difference last nite was not Craws bad shot, or Marbs not just getting the ball under control, but the veteran leadership and understanding of the pistons to control the ball and come up with the big plays under pressure. They are the defending champs! They know how to win.. Look at the nite before. We could not put away the Nets early for good in the 4th quarter.

We played a nice game last nite, in time we will develope that winning knowlege.

Once your not a bunch of "losers" does not mean your a winning team. They have progressed, but need to learn how to win!

Nalod we can wait as long as we want, but you can't have two young guns who take games personal at the end of the game to get more street cred, Houston and Steph would be a better balance.

VC and Steph wouldn't be bad either, two youngins in our guard structured team will not win squat come playoff time,Oh I forgot some still want to wait.........

exactly Playa instead of focusing on Crawford who actually gave us 25pts how about focusing on TT and hoping that H20 starts at SG on friday! I was too sick to check the boxscore..how many points did TT have in the 2nd half? Oh wait he had Zero points and still played 30min!!!!

Houston had 17pts in 21min!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12/16/2004 10:28:40]

Almost everything you have said is true except for below. I can't believe that you are atually criticizing Marb, you have even claimed that Marb lost us last night's game by being selfish. Dude you are wrong right there. Marburry kept us in the game in the second half. In fact he should have been much more selfish. He took his time to assert himself. He knew that early on Crawf and Houston were hitting their shots, he went through them. However, at the end, Marb clearly should have had the ball in his hands.


Marbury also is a work in progress. Last nite he was selfish wanting to take it to the Pistons and show them up at times. He was calling for the ball at one time in the 4th qtr and was egged on by the detroit bench for Rip or Billups to push him left, and he did,and pulled a real nice shot. He stared down the bench. That was when the game was lost! Marbs lost control of the game when he took the game to the pistons, instead of letting it come to him and controling the tempo!

These are the mistakes I expect these two to make, and get it better over the next 2 years. Thats right, two years! Last nite was a learning experience and those two cracked under pressure. They will progress, but also have setbacks! They don't get rid of their reputations overnite!

or even kicking it back out to Jamal or H20

Nalod! no disrespect, but I don't think your analogy of Marb is right at all. Marb has been the maestro of our team. Crawf, Houston, Nazr, and most of all Kurt have earned their points mainly because Marb has created a good shooting lane for them. Give credit where credit is due. Even JYD made a crazy looking shot from an excellent delivery by Marb. He is making everyone around him better. Now, Lenny failed to put the ball in his hands at the end of the game, and you see what happened.

Posted by Nalod:

Yes, but the big picture is to get the team going, not always being the spark plug. Getting the ball and doing an Iso is not team oriented.

Posted by diderotn:

Nalod! no disrespect, but I don't think your analogy of Marb is right at all. Marb has been the maestro of our team. Crawf, Houston, Nazr, and most of all Kurt have earned their points mainly because Marb has created a good shooting lane for them. Give credit where credit is due. Even JYD made a crazy looking shot from an excellent delivery by Marb. He is making everyone around him better. Now, Lenny failed to put the ball in his hands at the end of the game, and you see what happened.

Posted by Nalod:

Yes, but the big picture is to get the team going, not always being the spark plug. Getting the ball and doing an Iso is not team oriented.

IM talking about one play, in one game, that IMHO changed the tempo of the game. It did not spur the team on further, they ended up losing.

Marbs is dong an excellent job this year, and its a learning process.

Posted by rvhoss:

I like this team

Nalod...sorry, I read this late, I've been all over this board explaining that same thing...Marbs kind of flubbed it in the second half trying to take over, he missed an open h20, the refs gave him no calls, etc.

I like this team

Another game to learn from.

I like this team

Starting the game with TT (other coaches are still afraid to go at him because of his length) and will continue to rotate with H20, and eventually H20 will be the starter again (17 points in 20 minutes...awesome)

I like this team

Craw will like coming off the bench, he will be given the green light pretty much and will be with the Rebounding machines Ariza, JYD and Sweets, and will have Marbs or H20 in the back court with him (he's a back up PG as well).

Have I mentioned I like this team?

Craw should come off the bench and get the hook when he stinks it up. Its suppose to be the 3 guard system.

Do yo believe the amount of malcontents with the trade ideas today?

this arguement starts and ends with Tim Thomas....

If Timmy was playing well Craw goes to the bench.....since Timmy is the worst thing since Shandon Anderson, Craw must start and he has to continue to be aggressive offensively......Craw was playing a great game till he lost his mind on that last shot.

Craw, Marbs and Houston look great together.....Nazr and KT are hitting the boards good so it's a nice balance.....

the talent is there it's just a matter of communication.

hopefully it will click soon.

THis is going to sound funny, but with Miss Gazy playing as he is, we could use shandon's abilities about now in spots at the SF slot. He runs the floor, plays very good D, and at times can shoot. The effort is there.

THe x-factor is Ariza at the SF. I would like to see Marbs-Allan-Trevor on the floor.

Fact remains TT is untradeable now. It must remain that we keep playing him as the coaches must think he can play back into his "old" self. You know, the one who was not playing to his potential, not this pathetic shell of his unfulfilled self! Imagine.

Penny gets a lot of free passes on his rep, but his wheels fell off long long before he got here. Evem without shandon, we are carrying a lot of dead weight on this roster.