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gunsnewing
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What was the biggest reason they lost yet another game they were winning throughout?
Crawford not holding the ball and taking a good shot
Lenny and his lack of disciplining
Lack of scoring down low
Lack of defense
Isiah
Tim Thomas starting the 3rd
Kurt missing the FT
Houston losing the ball
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gunsnewing
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12/16/2004  12:57 AM
or all of the above lol
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gunsnewing
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12/16/2004  1:05 AM
ignore the other poll
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12/16/2004  1:18 AM
Lack of defense.

I don't mind JC shooting it late in the game or at the end. Remember vs the Rockets and the Hawks? Game winning shots...I don't mind that.

Don't blame it on Tim Thomas. He is trying to fit in with the NY style...He will be traded soon enough in a deal for Carter so don't worry about him. Just my opinion of course.

Ther turnover by Houston also hurt the Knicks because it was such a big play with less than a min. left but if the Knicks played DEFENSE, they would have won. DEFENSE wins games. Sorry about the cliche, but it's true. And it also wins championships.
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12/16/2004  6:13 AM
Now you are gonna be sceraming to kill Crawford everytime he touches the ball!
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12/16/2004  6:38 AM
I could blame Crawf, but Lenny is the one that should have taken control of that situation. Marb was wide open while Crawf had the ball. he should have simply motioned for Crawf to pass the ball to the PG. By the way, why didn't he take a time out to errase any confusions if there were any? We were ahead by 1 point, and Crawf rushed the shot with more than 4 seconds in the shot clock..
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12/16/2004  10:13 AM
Lenny, Lenny, Lenny.

Defense was about what we should expect from this team. They got some stops down the stretch. Craw played tough D on Hamilton 2 possessions in a row. KT did a good job boxing out Wallace at the end. This isn't a team that will shut anyone down for a whole game. If we get some stops in key situations, that's about as much as we can hope for.

To me, the key was not calling a timeout w/ 28 seconds and setting up a play to isolate someone -- I'd choose Marbs, not Craw -- at the top of the circle. It's the same end-of-a-quarter play everyone runs because it's the best way to use nearly all of a shot/game clock and still have a good chance of getting a good shot or getting fouled. Plus, you'll have floor balance to get back on D. Or we could of run the pick and roll,w hich was working for us. Anything better than the chaos and standing around that led to Craw's stupid shot.

Then, we run the same lame out-of-bounds play twice in a row even after it didn't work the first time.

What was Lenny thinking?
gunsnewing
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12/16/2004  10:15 AM
yeah Bernard I completely agree. The best we can do is hope that they can get stops in key situations. That's the best they will do this season unless a drastic change of players or coach is made.

I agree that marbury should be the one orchestrating the last shot. Preferrably driving and kicking to jamal or Allan on the perimeter like the way Jamal won us that one game.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12/16/2004 10:16:50]
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12/16/2004  10:15 AM
Why do we always have to have a face to blame? They win and lose as a team. We get heroes and goats, but its a team game.

The process of a young team not having learned yet to win is to blame.

ANd its games like this that teach them those lessons!

its not like the ball went thru buckners legs, or Cweb called the phantom time-out!
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12/16/2004  10:23 AM
how about Detriot? For playing the kind of defense that earned them an NBA title and 5 game beating over the Lakers?

Do they get any credit?

Jamal went cold at a bad time but if its not for him in the first place we lose by 20.
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12/16/2004  10:26 AM
me, personally, well i blame gunsnewing for the loss.
gunsnewing
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12/16/2004  10:27 AM
good point..I should've made that an option too
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12/16/2004  10:33 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

good point..I should've made that an option too
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12/16/2004  10:33 AM
Question?

Why did Lenny keep taking Houston out?

Yeah He's trying to spare Houston's knees but damn.....if the guy is hot don't take him out. He was getting it going twice and Lenny just took him out for Timmy......

Craw still should have held the ball. The Knicks were up 1. I don't know what he was thinking. Even if it's a shot clock violation.

This is yet another win the Knicks could of had. My total for the season is about 6.......Knicks should be 17-5.
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gunsnewing
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12/16/2004  10:39 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Question?

Why did Lenny keep taking Houston out?

Yeah He's trying to spare Houston's knees but damn.....if the guy is hot don't take him out. He was getting it going twice and Lenny just took him out for Timmy......

Craw still should have held the ball. The Knicks were up 1. I don't know what he was thinking. Even if it's a shot clock violation.

This is yet another win the Knicks could of had. My total for the season is about 6.......Knicks should be 17-5.

can't kill Lenny there. Just like Jason Kidd, Allan is strapped to being able to play only 20-25min a game. At least this time he put houston in late in the game for offense unlike the washington game where he could've had houston on the court just as a decoy in the final possession.
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12/16/2004  10:52 AM
Houston is good for 15-20 minutes until otherwise allowed. Don Chaney ignored that, played him 40 and ruined him for the year. 40 minutes = almost 2 hours of court time. Thats a pounding in the NBA.

On a side note how good did that 3 guard lineup look? It was funny.. Tolbert was saying how Prince is too long for Houston to guard as he banked a nice hook over Houston. Then Allan drained a 17 footer in Prince's face and Tolbert says "a mismatch on one end is usually a mismatch on the other as well."

Bench TT
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12/16/2004  11:53 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Then Allan drained a 17 footer in Prince's face and Tolbert says "a mismatch on one end is usually a mismatch on the other as well."

Bench TT
So cause he hit that one shot he will be effective as a SF? How many mins did Houston play at SF last night? Benching TT is one thing, playing Houston at SF is another.
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gunsnewing
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12/16/2004  12:09 PM
Houston played 21min. I think more than half of those were at SF and he was the best defender out of TT, steph, & jamal
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12/16/2004  12:15 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Houston played 21min. I think more than half of those were at SF and he was the best defender out of TT, steph, & jamal
If thats the case then lets start him at SF.
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12/16/2004  12:53 PM
I still can't understand why the ball wasn't in Stephon's hands before Crawford took ball and illadvised shot? It seemed like that's what was called because Crawford got the ball at half court and everyone (including Marbury) cleared out. If that's what Lenny called, then I cast blame with him.
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12/16/2004  1:46 PM
Posted by diderotn:

I could blame Crawf, but Lenny is the one that should have taken control of that situation. Marb was wide open while Crawf had the ball. he should have simply motioned for Crawf to pass the ball to the PG. By the way, why didn't he take a time out to errase any confusions if there were any? We were ahead by 1 point, and Crawf rushed the shot with more than 4 seconds in the shot clock..


someone said the play was broken. If panicked, Craw's first instinct is to shoot. Marbs is to take it to the hoop!

Its not lenny's fault if the play busted and they panicked.
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