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djsunyc
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12/13/2004  11:46 AM
i'm a syracuse fan and i think warrick is a stud. he's defintely has gotten better every year but he's predicted to go mid to late first round. why is that?

are there that many players better than him in the draft or is it b/c he's a senior? why the low draft pick?

i think he's a top 10 if not top 5 pick. i would love him to be mid to late b/c then we'll have a shot at him but i expect him to go much higher.
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12/13/2004  11:50 AM
isn't warrick a junior?

I think his stock has dropped because he is a tweener. Not a good enough outside shot for a SF and not strong enough for a PF. Kind of like Darius Miles.

And then you add the small things: has played less man-to-man than zone, poor free throw shooter.
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12/13/2004  11:51 AM
he doesnt have a clear position in the NBA. Is he a 3 or a 4? doesnt really have the perimeter skills for 3 and is awfully small to play the 4.

I love him... I like guys that can just play and he's a tough one.

This draft looks week early on... I bet he moves up before its all done... in the 7-10 range.
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12/13/2004  3:34 PM
Im pretty much set in who I would want already. I have heard rumblings through rivals that there is a good possibility only 2 HS players will be coming out and both will be lottery selections, so that shuts them out for us. So trying to figure what is left, who will come out, where we will pick or the posibility of moving up a tad, the player I like by far the best is Wayne Simien. I also like Nate Robinson of Washington, Julius Hodge of NC ST and Ike Diogu of Ar ST in that order. There is no C that I like that we would have to pay for 3 years. Someone is going to pick Channing Frye, but he is not a 5, Andrew Bogut has slow feet, perhaps a poor mans Chris Mihm, serious bust potential there. I like Hakim, but not better than the guys I named. I made a thread awhile back on Hakim--if we happen to have a real good record and draft in the 20s I would be happy to select hakim if he fell down. But i think a fair projection would be drafting 15-17 at this point.

I think Wayne Simien is a Carlos Boozer clone. Nate Robinson reminds me of a 5-9 version of Dwayne Wade. Diougu reminds me of a a more offensive minded version of Anthony Mason and Hodge=a better version of Marquis Daniels who can play 1-2-3. Any of these players are guys who will step in and play right away IMHO


again Im looking for mature players with supreme athletsicm and skills or supreme skills and good athletsicm who play at a high effeciency level.

Means they are high% shooters, skills and body are mature, have shown signifcant devlopment over years etc..
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12/13/2004  4:29 PM
I don't get why this would help us. Warrick has no defined position, he's got no jumpshot after a few years in college, and plus, he's coming into a position at SF where we are stacked. If IT drafts him, look for his/ariza's development to be limited, and look for one of them to be traded.
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12/13/2004  4:34 PM
Posted by teslawlo:

I don't get why this would help us. Warrick has no defined position, he's got no jumpshot after a few years in college, and plus, he's coming into a position at SF where we are stacked. If IT drafts him, look for his/ariza's development to be limited, and look for one of them to be traded.

his midrange jumper has gotten better. and he can post up and take it strong to the hole. he jumps outta the gym and could be a stromile swift type defender. we're not stacked at the 3. after tim, who's gone after next season or earlier, we have ariza. penny is done also.
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12/13/2004  4:53 PM
If you by NBADraft.net rankings and the projected slot that the Knicks are picking then I think IT would be looking at these players in this order...

1. LaMarcus Aldridge - A long athletic big man that is compared to Chris Bosh. What is not to like?
Power Forward, 6-11, 228

Strengths: He’s a multi-talented power forward who can score in the post, handle the ball and shoot it from the perimeter, earning him comparisons with Toronto Raptors forward Chris Bosh, another skinny big man from Texas. Aldridge is also extremely long and athletic, making him an excellent rebounder and shot blocker. He has the skills to play either forward spot down the road in the NBA.

Weaknesses: He’s extremely thin and isn’t yet ready for the physical nature and toughness of the pro game. He also didn’t play well in postseason all-star games, which caused his stock to drop. In the NBA, he doesn’t yet have the quickness to play on the perimeter, nor does he have the strength to play inside.
2. Tiago Splitter - His stock is up and down. Might not be available to us when we pick. My only reservations is if this is just another case of EURO love from the scouts. Chad Ford is that you?
NBA comparison: Dirk Nowitzki / Pau Gasol

Strengths: In 3 years will surely be a top 5 player internationally, he has the typically strong Brazilian offense game. He's a scorer, and can shoot from everywhere on the court. He plays one-on-one very well, has nice moves around the basket where he usually finishes with power plays. He has excellent mobility and great foot work for a player his size. He already has more international experience than Nene and Anderson combined. His future is at the SF position, so you can imagine the troubles that a 6-11 guy can cause in this situation. It's possible that he is not finished growing!

Weaknesses: His body still very weak to play the PF position. He has problems defending stronger guys and playing post up on offense, has to improve his timing on rebounds and his patience on defense. His defense can improve a lot playing in Europe and his body will certainly develop.

Notes: Made the Brazilian National team as a 17 years old and competed in the 2002 World Championships in Indianapolis. Very athletic player. Prefers to play on the outside. Shies away from contact. A bigtime scorer. Somewhat similar to Kirilenko with his rangy frame. Has a ways to go skill-wise.
3. Andrew Bogut - A good passing big man that rebounds with a post game. Pair him with Nazr and we would be set.
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Tremendously gifted passer at 6-10 ... Has incredible hands ... Snatches rebounds like he has velcro attached to them ... Has all the makings of a dynamic low post game ... Great drop step ... Possesses excellent touch ... Owns a great feel for the game ... One of the best players of his age group ... On NBA scouts' radar screens before arriving at Utah ... Has developed an international reputation due to his play as a member of the Under-19 Australian National Team ... Named the MVP of the 2003 FIBA Junior World Championships in Greece in July after leading the Aussies to the title ... In eight games in the tournament, averaged 26.3 points, 17.0 rebounds 2.5 assists and 1.5 blocked shots per game ... Had 22 points and 18 rebounds in a 106-85 win over the USA in the quarterfinals of the medal round ... Played for the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS), which toured the United States in November of 2001 and '02, playing exhibitions with college teams
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12/13/2004  6:37 PM
1.josh bonne - 6'10 237 (providing he comes out early)
2.channing frye - 6'11 250
3.wayne simien - 6'8 255
not particularly in that order, but yeah BRIGGS your right, i noticed the other day how slow bogut's feet were. also, for 7'0 he's not exactly a shot blocker. nate robinson gets props to. (that kid can JUMP!)
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12/13/2004  6:51 PM
Posted by daddynel:

1.josh bonne - 6'10 237 (providing he comes out early)
2.channing frye - 6'11 250
3.wayne simien - 6'8 255
not particularly in that order, but yeah BRIGGS your right, i noticed the other day how slow bogut's feet were. also, for 7'0 he's not exactly a shot blocker. nate robinson gets props to. (that kid can JUMP!)

Im pretty sure Josh Boone would be picked top 3-8, so i didnt add him to the list. Im pretty much thinking who would be available from 10 -20, its very possible that Simien robinson and Hidge could all be lottery picks as well, but then we may find a player who slips that still rated quite high. Im only interested in Warwick if we are in the 20s or late teens and hes the best player on the board.
Although we need length, I dont like Channing Frye, he hasnt improved in 4 years, he really is a soft 4, not really a 5. Andrew Bogut is slow. He gets away with it in college, but the footspeed is a very important aspect. hes not realy 7 feet either, more like 6-10 240.

Im not looking for projects unless its an outstanding one we cant pass up on. the guys I mentioned are all mature physically well built athletic and highly skilled. I know we need size but id rather take nate robinson at 5-9 than channing frye at 6-11 any day of the week. Not only do we have a need for a back up PG, but he has every atribute we want--tough, skilled, elite athlete, strong and TREMENDOUS ball hawk on the D.

You see how those guys beat down Boykins, they couldnt do it to Robinson--hes way to strong and can actually play above their heads.
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12/13/2004  6:54 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by daddynel:

1.josh bonne - 6'10 237 (providing he comes out early)
2.channing frye - 6'11 250
3.wayne simien - 6'8 255
not particularly in that order, but yeah BRIGGS your right, i noticed the other day how slow bogut's feet were. also, for 7'0 he's not exactly a shot blocker. nate robinson gets props to. (that kid can JUMP!)

Im pretty sure Josh Boone would be picked top 3-8, so i didnt add him to the list. Im pretty much thinking who would be available from 10 -20, its very possible that Simien robinson and Hidge could all be lottery picks as well, but then we may find a player who slips that still rated quite high. Im only interested in Warwick if we are in the 20s or late teens and hes the best player on the board.
Although we need length, I dont like Channing Frye, he hasnt improved in 4 years, he really is a soft 4, not really a 5. Andrew Bogut is slow. He gets away with it in college, but the footspeed is a very important aspect. hes not realy 7 feet either, more like 6-10 240.

Im not looking for projects unless its an outstanding one we cant pass up on. the guys I mentioned are all mature physically well built athletic and highly skilled. I know we need size but id rather take nate robinson at 5-9 than channing frye at 6-11 any day of the week. Not only do we have a need for a back up PG, but he has every atribute we want--tough, skilled, elite athlete, strong and TREMENDOUS ball hawk on the D.

You see how those guys beat down Boykins, they couldnt do it to Robinson--hes way to strong and can actually play above their heads.
nate robinson really is impressive, you're right.... boykins is doing fine and the guy we cut, andre barrett, is now a part of JVG's rotation. so height definitely isn't everything.
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12/13/2004  7:59 PM
question to those of you who were familiar w/Kenyon Martin while he was at CIN...how does Warrick compare in terms of athleticism, defensive skills, shotblocking, rebounding, instincts, offensive game?

for some reason, this is the type of player i can picture Warrick becoming someday because he is so athletic & has that nastiness about him that i love.
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12/13/2004  9:15 PM
Posted by TMS:

question to those of you who were familiar w/Kenyon Martin while he was at CIN...how does Warrick compare in terms of athleticism, defensive skills, shotblocking, rebounding, instincts, offensive game?

for some reason, this is the type of player i can picture Warrick becoming someday because he is so athletic & has that nastiness about him that i love.

Not even close. Kenyon was a powerful dominant player who wouldve helped cincy win the title that year, but broke his leg--but still was an easy #1 pick. warwick 6-9 maybe 210-212 kenyon 6-9 240
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