Posted by MaTT4281:

I like it. We bring in help for the 3, and get younger. Kurt has been pretty good, averaging a double double, but if Milwaukee would agree, I do this deal in a second.

id consider throwing in ariza to make it a tad more palatable for milwaukee given the ages, ariza makes it a fair deal IF they give us back their 2nd rounder this year.

I would really have to think about it if we were going to add Ariza. I would just assume throw in a pick. Ariza already seems like a lottery pick to me and he isn't even 20 yet.

[Edited by - MaTT4281 on 12/11/2004 18:56:30]

Posted by diderotn:

Some of you are rediculous with your trade thoughts. You think that Isiah is crazy enough to trade Ariza or Sweetney to solidify the guard position? Think again. Isiah will not move either Sweet nor Ariza unless it is for a well establish defensive Center. He would trade Kurt, Penny, and TT, but he would not trade Sweetney and Ariza.

That is his bread and butter foundation.

None of us ever said that Isiah would do a deal like this. We are all saying whether WE would do the deal. Plus, even Isiah would consider a deal like this because Mason is an upgrade at the SF position (no, he is not a guard) and is an athletic player that fits the type of team Isiah is looking to build.

Posted by fishmike:

I like Mason but he's really a 2.

I still think our best option is to wait until this offseason. Unless someone blows us away with an offer at the deadline or something this offseason is our best bet.

Patience at this point...

what am i being patient with? a 105mm$ payroll? for kt to get a tad older so his value drops? mason plays the 3 for milwaukee and hes pretty good at it on both sides of the ball. they could be interested in a deal like that because they have KVH and we sure could be interested in something like that. It gives us more physical athletiscm and effeciency on both sides and gets us younger. Id give up ariza to get that deal done if theyd throw me back their 2nd round pick.

no Briggs... you mover is actually more patient because you will take a step back with Sweentey getting more minutes. I'm thinking more generally.

Any deal involving KT is fine with me.. you know I agree with you on him.

Making more moves to win an extra 2-3 games this year because we have a $105mm payroll would be folly. Of every asset/player on the team the only one who's probably NOT going up in value is KT. Everyone else I would wait on... the one thing if you make a deal for Mason you have Penny, Crawford, Houston, TT, Mason, Ariza(?) all at the 2-3. Thats hurting guys value.

I have been in favor of just keeping TT/Penny and letting their $30 plus mill come off the books after next year, but if you are going to trade them you kill their value if you give 30minutes a night to a guy like Mason.

Just a thought... I'm perfectly ok with winning our 45 games this year and making moves next offseason. With a #1 that will be in the 16-20 range, NAzr's expiring deal, Moochie's expiring deal and Houston's #2 I think we are in very good shape to drasticly upgrade the front court through signings, trades, draft.

I like trevor, but skill-wise he has a ways to go. He brings great energy on defense and offense but he is limited in what he can do on his own. It says something that he has not taken TT's place in the starting lineup even as poorly and inconsistant as tt has played this year.

I would trade him for the right guy and desmond mason sounds like that guy. Ariza is a lot easier to replace than someone like Sweets who may turn into something in elton brand's category.





[Edited by - killa4luv on 12/12/2004 02:03:43]

If we are going to do that trade I'd like to get back more then just Mason, who is a glorified Anderson. All he does is dunk and play D, which is great, but we badly need a shooter in the linup. We wold have to bench Craw and start Houston right away. Which I guess is fine.

But, still, KT has more value then some mid tier SF/SG who is somewhat undersized for the 3 and gets away with it only because of his athletic abiliy.

Take TT back to, for KVH lol.

Posted by fishmike:

I still think this offseason is best and you will see alot of guys available. Both young bigs like Dalembert, Swift and Curry.. but also some guys like Marion and Brand as their team will have $$ decisions to make

these days I am not so big on Swift (unless it is a chump-change deal). He would help the current collection of Knick player because of his shot-blocking and weakside defense, but I want to build for a championship, and do want a C that is either a low post player or a defensive maniac.

Posted by Marv:

Posted by simrud:

If we are going to do that trade I'd like to get back more then just Mason, who is a glorified Anderson.

Are you calling Desmond Mason a glorified Shandon Anderson???? Please, you are doing an injustice to the true glory of the the putridness of Anderson's play, the true ineptness, the clumsiness, the side-of-the-backboard-shooting foot-dribbling horror that was Shandon Anderson! Give the man his full glorious due!

LOL!!!
now that is funny!!!!!