I saw most of the game but turned it off.....

I'm watching MSG Sports Desk and NBA TV and Timmy just looks slow....He's too slow to be our starting small forward.

Yeah he's althletic but he's not like Ariza or Wally Z for that matter.....

Timmy needs to rebound. It's a shame how this guy is 6'10", 240lbs and can't get at least 7 rebs per game. He's as big as Nazr!!!! If he could rebound for once in his life he would give the Knicks a real threat as a power fwd. He is just as big as any power fwd in the league except he can shoot the long ball and run the floor.

It's a shame that Timmy sucks this bad......Timmy should be shifted to power fwd. In KT's role the Knicks could feature him in the pick and roll, post him up and have him spotting up by three. KT could then be sent to the bench or traded.

Ariza keeps showing that he is worthy of a starting job in this league......

Timmy must rebound because he just isn't a small fwd anymore if he ever was. Timmy finishes well around the basket.....I just don't understand why he can't rebound.....He doesn't even try. The sole reason he's not a power fwd is because he doesn't rebound.....

Rebound Rebound Rebound.......

KT as the starter is not working.....he's over achieving. Nazr is the best the Knicks can do and he is averaging a double double.

With Houston back the Knicks need to shuffle the line-ups.....and make a trade that will clean the team up....


Bottom line:
Start Timmy, Ariza, Nazr, Marbs and Craw.....
Then look to trade KT to San Antonio for a draft pick and one of their back court guys....

[Edited by - enyspree on 12/08/2004 06:56:43]

TT should be sixth man and paid accordingly.

he should also get a brain and hear transplant. that would help too.

I actually like the idea of him trying out for our PF slot. He looks like a pretty good rebounder when he is down low which is not that often because half his shots are from long range. That obviously will alter his rebounding numbers. I would no doubt play him at PF as long as it does not create mismatch in another teams favor. We are not going anywhere with Kurt as our starting PF no matter how good he plays. He is not what we need in our starting post positions. I don't mind having Nazi start because he gets his points from puts backs and he always gets alot of boards. I would like a skilled postup player with him that also have some shot blocking ability.

it's also instincts & basketball IQ...TT lacks in that department...you often see him just staring at balls clang off the rim & not even put forth an effort to put himself into position to grab the rebound...he never boxes anyone out either...the only rebounds he grabs are the ones that fall basically right into his hands...contrast him underneath the rim to just about any other good rebounding SF, like Van Horn, Marshall, Marion, etc...these guys are setting themselves up early because they can anticipate where the ball will be & put themselves into position to grab the rebounds when the shots don't fall...

now you want to put him up against power rebounders like Brand, Okafor, Howard, Stoudamire, O'Neal, Garnett, etc.? i don't think so.

i think we all just have to stop and accept what tim thomas is. he's an inconsistent SF who doesn't care about rebounding or defense. very simple. nothing you can really do to change that.

Posted by djsunyc:

i think we all just have to stop and accept what tim thomas is. he's an inconsistent SF who doesn't care about rebounding or defense. very simple. nothing you can really do to change that.

Accepted. Now get rid of him.

Posted by diderotn:

TT should be the PF, but he needs to change his mentality first. In my opinion, TT should be in the same class as Nowitsky and the other great PFs in the league today. He is long enough and most of all has the athletic abilities to dominate inside and outside

But he isnt even close and never will be.

Posted by diderotn:

TT should be the PF, but he needs to change his mentality first. In my opinion, TT should be in the same class as Nowitsky and the other great PFs in the league today. He is long enough and most of all has the athletic abilities to dominate inside and outside

I agree....not with the Norwitski part but I see what you are saying....

I for one can't understand why Timmy can't get Similiar numbers to Shareef Abdur-Rahim. To me both of those players move very similiar. Timmy is not fast at all.

He should be a power fwd.....thing is he's not.....how the heck can Isiah trade him? He's terrible.

Isiah struck gold with Nazr but Timmy is the guy that is untradable.

KVH is better than Timmy in all aspects of the game. At least the Knicks could look at KVH and slide him to power fwd with no problem......Timmy is a bum.

I wonder if Atlanta would have done the trade for Nazr without the Bucks getting involved? Geez man......

One thing is for sure, I don't think that TT has been properly used. I do believe that a good coach can figure out the right way and position to play TT. Lenny has done nothing but talking about what he may do with this kid, but he has yet to put him on those situations. The problem or the reason for Lenny's problem is Kurt Thomas. If he promotes TT to PF, what will happen with Kurt? TT can perhaps do a lot more things than Kurt. When his shots are on target, he is unguardable. In my opinion, I would consider a lineup change just for a search for energy. My options would be: Marb, Crawf, JYD, TT, Nazr, or Marb, Crawf, Houston, TT, Kurt; Or Marb, Houston, JYD, TT, Nazr or Kurt. Since Houston has yet to prove that he is capable, I would use Crawf for the moment as the SG, but JYD would have been my SF for sure with Kurt either as the starting Center or Nazr. I prefer Nazr because he has been consistent all year. Until a trade happens to clean up the PF position, we will never know what we have or how good we can be. Kurt is not that good of a defender.



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Posted by franco12:

TT as a 4 would work in some matchups if he was coming off the bench and was used there situationally.

He is not better than KT as a 4- KT brings defense and real boarding

He is not better than Sweets as a 4- he brings low post moves and offensive boards

If Lenny wanted to go small- with Marbury, Crawford, Houston, TT and KT/Nazr- then yes, having TT as a 4 makes sense-

but, I'd rather probably go small with Marbury, Crawford, Houston and Sweets & Nazr- three outside options and 2 low post/offensive rebounders
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[Edited by - diderotn on 12/08/2004 11:45:48]

TT simply lacks the drive that great players have to make themselves better...he thinks he's too good for his own right...Sam Cassell had him pegged perfectly to the T when he left Milwaukee when he said that Tim can be as good as he WANTS to be...the only problem is that he doesn't want it...he's happy where he is, making his big money contract...he has no motivation to fulfill his enormous potential, & he never will again in my opinion...he's fallen victim to the word "complacency", which is a damn shame...he could really be good if he ever put his mind to it...i don't think he ever will personally.

That is what normally happen to a young player, especially when they receive a big contract after half a season of decent production. Once his contract expires, he will be hungry again. That is my problem with this league, unproven players getting big contrace just because of their height and potentials.

Posted by TMS:

TT simply lacks the drive that great players have to make themselves better...he thinks he's too good for his own right...Sam Cassell had him pegged perfectly to the T when he left Milwaukee when he said that Tim can be as good as he WANTS to be...the only problem is that he doesn't want it...he's happy where he is, making his big money contract...he has no motivation to fulfill his enormous potential, & he never will again in my opinion...he's fallen victim to the word "complacency", which is a damn shame...he could really be good if he ever put his mind to it...i don't think he ever will personally.