No way in hell!!! I would hate this trade more than anything in the world. Vince is a slasher so is Crawford. Rose Im sorry to say simply sucks. Where are these players going to be on the court working together? Its not possible. I would be much happier to hold onto Houston because I think he compliments this team perfectly with two slashing guards in Steph and Crawford. STUPID TRADE!
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You all just don't understand, this Knicks team just doesn't fit. Crawf is a not a PG nor a SG, but he plays both positions not efficiently. Houston is just a shooter and that is not what we need. TT despite his leghth and abilities has yet to be able to put it all together. Kurt Thomas is O.K. but he is not the answer at the frontline. Therefore, Isiah has to do something to continue with our progress. He inherited a team with nothing but bad contracts without the talent level necessary, so he has to improve it. This team is build around Marb and Isiah is not shy at all at telling it. He wants athletes to surround Marb, and as good as a shooter that Houston is, his inability to get on the court and his huge contract is not helping his chances. Adding a guy like Vince (a super-star) would change everything. My biggest problem with Vince is the fact that he has failed to improve his boddy by getting in the weight room to add muscles to his frame. His inability to play on both ends of the court is also a concern, but N.Y. is in need for flair and accrobatic highlights. Marb would thrive with a player like Vince and most of all, Vince would thrive with Marb and Crawf is he is not traded. Above all, we have to find a hard nose PF/C to backup or support Nazr at the front-court. With that much offense between Marb, Crawf, and Vince, we will need role players to do the dirty work. JYD is ideal, but we need a Center. Could Chandler be that dude???????? young, athletic, and can block shots.
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Marb Crawf Vince Nazr Chandler
Brewer Ariza Rose Sweetney ??????
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so we give up our bad contracts for even worse ones? That is just idiotic. You even admit Vince doesnt add much to this team besides "star power". I could care less about that. I am more than happy to let this team continue to work together and stay away from locking us in even more bad contracts. TT and Penny will be in their last years next year making them great trade bait. I believe we should make smart trades. We know this trade wont allow us to win a championship and we def have the players to do so. So we should be patient and wait till the right offer comes along or we free up enough money to make the big signing.
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I read an article in the Times this morning that Houston was never offered to Toronto. If any of you get the Times, it's in the only article about NYK and should be towards the end of the article. Can't find it on the site.
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True, Vince and Jalen aren't what we need, and I'm not crazy about either of their games or thier makeup, but they play the same swing positions as H20 and TT and are better. Vince is better and younger than H20 even if he doesn't regain his superstar status, and Rose is better than Timmy Genious. IMO, both those guys would pick it up in NY. So, do we get what we need? No. But we get better and we don't give up anything of much value. Id make this trade in a heartbeat, even w/ Vince on the shelf, but I can't imagine Toronto doing it.
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Tons of talent at 1, 2, 3 that plays no defense and no interior defense. Would this trade officially make us a poor man's version of last year's Dallas Mavericks?
[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/09/2004 11:34:13]
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Tons of talent at 1, 2, 3 that plays no defense and no interior defense. Would this trade officially make us a poor man's version of last year's Dallas Mavericks?
[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/09/2004 11:34:13]
If by poor you mean no Dirk Nowitski, then yes. Dallas had no D but at least they had Dirk.
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Marbury, Crawford & Vince would make up the best 1-2-3 punch w/o a bigman in the game.
that triple threat could catapult this team intot the Eastern Conference Finals this year when you consider the level of competition...you also have more tradeable assets after you make the deal...i can't see the downsides to that deal that turn so many of you off to it...it seems like a real no brainer to me.
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Tons of talent at 1, 2, 3 that plays no defense and no interior defense. Would this trade officially make us a poor man's version of last year's Dallas Mavericks?
[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/09/2004 11:34:13]
I'd say a rich man's (Dolan's) version of a less capable Mavericks (no Dirk).
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The one thing that this thread makes me think, and which no one has even mentioned is this: All along we've had this pipe dream of, "Layden screwed us with the budget, but at least when Houston comes off the books, we might approach being under the cap." This has been something of a back of the mind glimmer of hope that SOMEDAY we can compete for (superstar?) free agents at their proper market value, instead of just taking on other teams discarded overpaid players in return for our expiring contracts.
Discussing this trade makes me realize that was all a pipe dream, and you guys prove that cliche' that New York fans don't have the patience to rebuild.
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Who's rebuilding? We have marbury, crawford, under long term contacts. Now is the time to upgrade talent and win. Everyone talks about how young crawford is at 25yrs old but carter is only 27ys old. I wil be very excited if we can get him , major upgrade in talent and thats what wins games.
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The one thing that this thread makes me think, and which no one has even mentioned is this: All along we've had this pipe dream of, "Layden screwed us with the budget, but at least when Houston comes off the books, we might approach being under the cap." This has been something of a back of the mind glimmer of hope that SOMEDAY we can compete for (superstar?) free agents at their proper market value, instead of just taking on other teams discarded overpaid players in return for our expiring contracts.
Discussing this trade makes me realize that was all a pipe dream, and you guys prove that cliche' that New York fans don't have the patience to rebuild.
You don't have to get under the cap to rebuild. You have to get young, talented players, develop them, and surround them with good veteran role models. You can do that via trade, via draft picks, or via free agency. Assuming you must be under the cap is too limited a view.
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The one thing that this thread makes me think, and which no one has even mentioned is this: All along we've had this pipe dream of, "Layden screwed us with the budget, but at least when Houston comes off the books, we might approach being under the cap." This has been something of a back of the mind glimmer of hope that SOMEDAY we can compete for (superstar?) free agents at their proper market value, instead of just taking on other teams discarded overpaid players in return for our expiring contracts.
Discussing this trade makes me realize that was all a pipe dream, and you guys prove that cliche' that New York fans don't have the patience to rebuild.
You don't have to get under the cap to rebuild. You have to get young, talented players, develop them, and surround them with good veteran role models. You can do that via trade, via draft picks, or via free agency. Assuming you must be under the cap is too limited a view.
You CANNOT go via free agency if you are over the cap (except MLE). That is what the cap means!
[Edited by - panos on 12/09/2004 14:59:22]
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During that last losing streak, the Knicks offense fell completely apart in the fourth quater. I think we might have to expect that Allan may not do well Tim Thomas hasn't been great, and I wouldn't mind trading him and JYD for Carter. I say if the Raptors want to take Houston, TT, and JYD for Rose and Carter, do it and say thank you
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During that last losing streak, the Knicks offense fell completely apart in the fourth quater. I think we might have to expect that Allan may not do well Tim Thomas hasn't been great, and I wouldn't mind trading him and JYD for Carter. I say if the Raptors want to take Houston, TT, and JYD for Rose and Carter, do it and say thank you
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The one thing that this thread makes me think, and which no one has even mentioned is this: All along we've had this pipe dream of, "Layden screwed us with the budget, but at least when Houston comes off the books, we might approach being under the cap." This has been something of a back of the mind glimmer of hope that SOMEDAY we can compete for (superstar?) free agents at their proper market value, instead of just taking on other teams discarded overpaid players in return for our expiring contracts.
Discussing this trade makes me realize that was all a pipe dream, and you guys prove that cliche' that New York fans don't have the patience to rebuild.
You don't have to get under the cap to rebuild. You have to get young, talented players, develop them, and surround them with good veteran role models. You can do that via trade, via draft picks, or via free agency. Assuming you must be under the cap is too limited a view.
You CANNOT go via free agency if you are over the cap (except MLE). That is what the cap means!
[Edited by - panos on 12/09/2004 14:59:22]
That's why you use the two other roots to rebuilding that I just outlined!
Tim Thomas hasn't been great, and I wouldn't mind trading him and JYD for Carter. I say if the Raptors want to take Houston, TT, and JYD for Rose and Carter, do it and say thank you