i regard Kenny Thomas more as a PF than i do as a SF...he's just undersized, but he plays larger than his height...we don't need anymore PF's on this team.

i love Dalembert too, but get PHI to include Corliss instead of Kenny Thomas, as we don't need that 6 year deal on the books

[Edited by - TMS on 12/07/2004 13:44:27]

Corlis is a 3 that plays like a 4 though. His game is all back to the basket. I put Kenny in the deal because of the 6 year deal. I dont think Phili has any motivation to make it with Corlis unless they are getting Ariza back... but I would make that deal also.

I'd rather give up Kurt than Nazy. Dalembert's injuries worry me. If we traded Nazy and Dalembert got injured, we'd have zero centers. I also like how much Nazy has improved and I think he'll continue to improve. I'd take back two bad contracts if they took Kurt and gave us Dalembert. I'd include any short contracts they wanted from us to make the salaries match (Baker or Norris). They can't be too happy about having to pay MacCuloch $19 mil to retire. I'd take his salary if we could get Dalembert.

Posted by fishmike:

I guess me real point to all this is about trading guys when their value is high for other guys when their value is low. Dalembert is low, NAzr is high. Ariza is high but fading somewhat. Sweetney is low. KT was high but is also fading somewhat... you see my point. I want to get a team thats having a bad start to panic and make a move for one of our guys that are overachieving. Nazr (IMO) is overachieving.

Yes, we are thin at center but this goes back to where this Knick team is. We need a real bigman prospect more than we need 3-4 extra wins this year. We will be .500 and make the precious playoffs if JYD is starting at center. Lets think future... next 2 years.

I *would* do the trade involving Nazy. My preference, though, is to trade Kurt instead. What do you mean by "Nazy is overachieving"? If you mean that he's not as good as his numbers suggest, I'd agree with you. But if you mean that you don't think he can keep up this level of play for the whole season, I'd disagree.

As for Kurt's trade value, I'm not sure why you say it's fading. He's still averaging an impressive double double and playing like a good role player. I don't know how long he can keep this up, though. He never has averaged a double double before. I'd trade him before his numbers fell. I do think Nazy can keep up his numbers and would prefer to trade him when he has an expiring contract or just keep him. The opportunity to get Dalembert is appealing enough that I would give up either Kurt or Nazy for him, but I'd prefer Kurt for the above reasons.

Hrm... Keep in mind that we're giving up a 6'10" who's capable of putting up a double-double at the CENTER SPOT. In the NBA today, that's practically worthy of all-star consideration.

Dalembert put up some studly numbers late last season--- the most impressive part of his game is his ability to block shots (2.3bpg in 26mpg last year). I'm not sure if this just means he bites on pump fakes a lot too...

Anyway... poor guy. hecareer stats on a contract year--- though maybe that's what Philly is doing--- keeping his value down so they can resign him cheap.

Posted by technomaster:

Hrm... Keep in mind that we're giving up a 6'10" who's capable of putting up a double-double at the CENTER SPOT. In the NBA today, that's practically worthy of all-star consideration.

Dalembert put up some studly numbers late last season--- the most impressive part of his game is his ability to block shots (2.3bpg in 26mpg last year). I'm not sure if this just means he bites on pump fakes a lot too...

Anyway... poor guy. hecareer stats on a contract year--- though maybe that's what Philly is doing--- keeping his value down so they can resign him cheap.

It doesnt work... not when bigs like Okur get big money.

I think a lot of posters are assuming Philly values Dalembert highly just because we value him so highly. If they really valued him, they wouldn't play Marc Jackson ahead of him and burry him on the bench. I agree with Fish that we might be able to steal him now.

Posted by Bonn1997:

I think a lot of posters are assuming Philly values Dalembert highly just because we value him so highly. If they really valued him, they wouldn't play Marc Jackson ahead of him and burry him on the bench. I agree with Fish that we might be able to steal him now.

The most recent SLAM issue really cleared up the issue in Philly for me. O'Brien started the lineup with jackson and andre igoudala and all because he wanted to light a fire under dalembert and others like big dog (well big dog had contract issues too) to make them better. apparently a lot of the sixers weren't exactly in best performing shape in terms of injuries or just lack of conditioning this season. I doubt philly values jackson more than dalembert. Philly values jackson's offensive production more than dalembert's d at times, that's for sure though.

Posted by teslawlo:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I think a lot of posters are assuming Philly values Dalembert highly just because we value him so highly. If they really valued him, they wouldn't play Marc Jackson ahead of him and burry him on the bench. I agree with Fish that we might be able to steal him now.

The most recent SLAM issue really cleared up the issue in Philly for me. O'Brien started the lineup with jackson and andre igoudala and all because he wanted to light a fire under dalembert and others like big dog (well big dog had contract issues too) to make them better. apparently a lot of the sixers weren't exactly in best performing shape in terms of injuries or just lack of conditioning this season. I doubt philly values jackson more than dalembert. Philly values jackson's offensive production more than dalembert's d at times, that's for sure though.

As much as I like SLAM magazine, I don't think any GM or coach tells the magazine their deepest plans with each player

Posted by technomaster:

Dalembert is very much like a young Mohammed (w/ shot blocking skills)--- injuries have derailed his production over the years--- but he clearly has had flashes of brilliance... What type of player can Dalembert project into? A giant version of Jerome Williams? A scrappy Antonio Davis-type? A taller Ben Wallace?
Maybe 13ppg/10rpg/2bpg in a good year?

By the time this year is over, I wouldn't be surprised if Nazr were close to averaging 14ppg/10rpg/1bpg...

But it's not the pure stats that are important, it's how a player gets those points. To us, if the player put up lesser numbers with his back to the basket, it would be more valuable. Maybe we'd get more mileage out of Curry producing 12ppg/7rpg/1bpg if he manufactured his points in the post or at the free throw line.

Curry can't even average 6 RPG even in a contract year