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i dont know what H2O is going to do that will help us so much?
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BRIGGS
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12/5/2004  7:51 PM
if crawford and Marbury are playing 38 minutes at 1-2--i guess H2) will be playing the 3? do we need another jump shooter that bad? i mean H2O is an upgrade from penny, but he isnt a defensive upgade anywhere--thats what we need.
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12/5/2004  7:54 PM
He brings consistency and veteran leadership. He is the best shooter in the game, and if crawford takes it to the hole more he and marbury could really break it down making houston that much more of a threat.
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12/5/2004  8:03 PM
Posted by Knickss208:

He brings consistency and veteran leadership. He is the best shooter in the game, and if crawford takes it to the hole more he and marbury could really break it down making houston that much more of a threat.

thats fine and dandy. i guess we move h2o to the 3 spot in your scenario--sounds like good solid plan to help our D. Scoring really isnt a problem-we get enough points to win games, we odnt get enough stops. TT is not a good defender--allan at the 3 would be worse.

also, i doubt allan will be playing heavy minutes.
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12/5/2004  8:07 PM
Hes gonna be playing more minutes now that Penny is injured and lets not forget the small backcourt lineup will only be used sparingly, it wont be the starting lineup. The defense is going to be bad either way, but with Houston we will have less cold spells that Crawford goes through and then we lose. I mean I like Crawford and all but he takes some of the stupidest shots and he is very inconsistent. Houston knows if he is hot or not and will pass the ball off if its not a good shot. Unlike Craw who will jack up a shot from anywhere.
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12/5/2004  8:16 PM
Man, our offense fell apart in the last two fourth quarters. We had no one who could hit big shots. If you don't think Houston could help, you're just clueless or blindly pessimistic.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/05/2004 20:23:02]
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12/5/2004  8:38 PM
He is a scorer.....you always can use a good scorer.....He can spell Craw and Timmy the way Penny was. Penny doesn't have Houston's jumpshot.

I wouldn't put it past Penny just sitting out to take one for the team, so Houston can play.....he's that type of guy.
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12/5/2004  8:39 PM
He will help us against Zone's thats for damn sure
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12/5/2004  9:03 PM
Posted by Elite:

He will help us against Zone's thats for damn sure

I talk about KT being a change of pace player.....that's what Houston does.....He will make the Knicks faster when he spells Timmy and he will give the Knicks a different look when he spells Craw.

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12/5/2004  9:06 PM
Posted by Elite:

He will help us against Zone's thats for damn sure
Exactly; anyone who doesn't think Houston can help simply hasn't seen how much the the Knicks have struggled at times in the fourth quarter and whenever the opponent uses zone defense.
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12/5/2004  9:07 PM
this is a guy who found a way to average 22 ppg on a team with no other offensive threat other than the occasional me-well drive to the basket. If he can't find a way to bag all of the open shots that marbury and crawford create for others, I'll be damned.
All he has to do is hit the open shot, and don't forget, crawford will def be logging less minutes soon. Maybe a lot less than 38 depending on how good h20 is when he first comes back. I don't believe h20 will play the 3 except in spot situations..
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12/5/2004  9:25 PM
Houston won't have a huge scoring role anymore; I think they should use him as a pure jumpshooter and leave the driving to Marbury and Crawford. I'm betting Houston is going to have a lot of wide open looks with the penetration by Marbury and Crawford. I just don't know where he is going to fit in, I suppose we will be seeing a lot of the 3 guard lineup. We would get beaten on defense a lot, but we get beat a lot anyways
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12/5/2004  9:48 PM
If we dreamed about Marbury and Crawford penetrating and finding him open for a jump shot that he scores with his beautiful shot, imagine how great will it be when teams must stop using the zone because this guy, unlike any other Knick, actually has a great shooting touch and can be consistent with it. Don't tell me that in terms of shooting Jamal and Allan are on the same page because thats soo wrong. To say that Houston and his shot don't bring anything different and better to NY is not being able too see the whole picture.
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12/5/2004  10:13 PM
does'nt help at all on defense. he would spread out the opposing D making our scoring easier. now w/penny out, he'll give either jamal or steph some much needed rest.
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12/5/2004  10:13 PM
like i said, i dont think houston is going to help with what ails us. He is Penny hardaway's replacement. he is no longer a 38 minute player and it will be difficult to play marb-craw-h20 at the same time. so like i said h20 is an UPGRADE for penny, BUT dont expect the team to be materially different. Im thinking H2O can give us 24 minutes 10-12 points on 45% shooting with less rebounds than penny and worse D.

if you dont understand our problem, i will explain it. we cant get stops, we let to many shooters free and have to many shooting point blank shots. yes he will help when we see craw starting to go 3-16, and yes is better than penny, but it wont necessarily make us better
he might score 10-12 but he will also give it back on the other end, penny is/was a better defender/rebounder.
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12/5/2004  10:14 PM
Houston back will be a tremendoes lift. He should still be are #1 scoring option (unless Craw is on fire that night and assuming H20 starts).
I can't express in words how excited I am to finally see this 3 guard rotation.

[Edited by - MaTT4281 on 12/05/2004 22:14:46]
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12/5/2004  10:31 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

Houston back will be a tremendoes lift. He should still be are #1 scoring option (unless Craw is on fire that night and assuming H20 starts).
I can't express in words how excited I am to finally see this 3 guard rotation.

[Edited by - MaTT4281 on 12/05/2004 22:14:46]

ditto. I am excited to see H20 back, he is going to bring some much needed consistency and some other intangibles. Maybe the D wont be helped but H20 its better to have a healthy Houston then none at all. I have missed seeing him on the court.
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12/5/2004  11:18 PM
Briggs, this team has more than one problem. If what you listed was its one and only problem, the team would be doing better. A key problem that the team DOES have that Houston DOES help with is hitting key shots in the 4th quarter and helping break zone defenses. If this were *any team other than the Knicks* you'd realize that
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12/6/2004  2:51 AM
If Houston comes back with any of his old flava, the knicks will certainly be better off. Jamal Crawford is showing shades of John Starks with his gunner mentality and his FG% could stand to use some work.

The Knicks can use a consistent outside shooting presence--- it'll help spacing on offense. He's also a guy who can score from virtually anywhere on the court. I'd be very hesitant to turn him into a spot up shooter--- that's not his game. He doesn't really play above the rim and slash all the way up to the basket, but he moves w/o the ball fairly well and can create space for himself as long as he can get open enough to catch the ball.

There has been lots of talk of the impact of adding Houston to the lineup--- who loses minutes? IMHO, it'll affect everyone in the rotation not named Kurt Thomas, Sweetney, and Mohammed. Playing Houston as the #3 doesn't seem like such a big deal--- the team went to this type of set-up during the years Starks/Houston were paired up--- and the SF/SG assignments were all jumbled up when Sprewell/Houston were in the lineup together.

Playing Houston at SF will be a matter of matchups. He's not going to be a great defender, but IMHO he has always fared better against bigger, slower opponents than quick athletic guards.

While Penny has a better all-around game than Houston, Houston's shooting form was always light years better. While no one is automatic, you can expect him to make more of his uncontested open shots than anyone else on the Knick team.
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12/6/2004  3:05 AM
It's shortsighted to think that our "only" problem is that we can't get stops although I agree that our biggest problem is that our defense is porous. However, the fact of the matter is that we were up by more than 10 points against Orlando before they started packing it in with their zone. That change instantly changed the complexity of the game. H2O provides us with an instant answer to that problem which I would consider to be a close runner up to not being able to get many stops. I see no reason to get bent out of shape over this as this team is a work in progress. If one can't see the progress we have made in less than a year.....well nothing can be done about that. I like Nazr a lot. He's a keeper unless an opportunity comes for us to obtain the true answer in the middle. You can enjoy the ride a lot better if you can just accept that this team is quite a ways off from being a top flight contender.....until we can get a top flight center. Meanwhile, H2O will have a more than positive impact if he's healthy. It's folly to sell that fact short.
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12/6/2004  11:06 AM
yeah, who needs scoring?
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i dont know what H2O is going to do that will help us so much?

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