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Bonn1997
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12/4/2004  10:21 PM
Posted by NYK3:
Posted by MaTT4281:

Don't start chalking up the L's right yet. This team is very inconsistant. We can pull of a W on any given night, the same way we can lose on any given night.
The more games we have like this, the more you can sense or change to be made, whether it be trade, or coaching change.

Still should be an interesting year. Just gotta endure the bumps this year.
I agree with you Matt that on any given night we can win but I am just so down on this team when it comes to playing on the road. I have absolutely no confidence in them when they play away from MSG

We're all down right now. Really down. It was an awful game. I just don't rely on any one previous game to make predictions for future games. I wouldn't with any .500 or .550 team because they're all way too inconsistent.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/04/2004 22:22:40]
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12/4/2004  10:23 PM
we also lost a crappy game at the Garden to orlando. it's not jsut a road thing. to be a good team, we have to win the close ones, and figure out how to put away bad teams early.

i'm mad at guys like crawford and nazr, who say how great it is to be on a winning team. they say that, and then give up games like these. it's all well and good to say you're a winning team, but you also have to win f-ing games.

ok, done venting. but this is ridiculous.
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12/4/2004  10:25 PM
Posted by NYK3:
Posted by MaTT4281:

Don't start chalking up the L's right yet. This team is very inconsistant. We can pull of a W on any given night, the same way we can lose on any given night.
The more games we have like this, the more you can sense or change to be made, whether it be trade, or coaching change.

Still should be an interesting year. Just gotta endure the bumps this year.
I agree with you Matt that on any given night we can win but I am just so down on this team when it comes to playing on the road. I have absolutely no confidence in them when they play away from MSG

Me neither
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12/4/2004  10:25 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by NYK3:
Posted by MaTT4281:

Don't start chalking up the L's right yet. This team is very inconsistant. We can pull of a W on any given night, the same way we can lose on any given night.
The more games we have like this, the more you can sense or change to be made, whether it be trade, or coaching change.

Still should be an interesting year. Just gotta endure the bumps this year.
I agree with you Matt that on any given night we can win but I am just so down on this team when it comes to playing on the road. I have absolutely no confidence in them when they play away from MSG

We're all down right now. Really down. It was an awful game. I just don't rely on any one previous game to make predictions for future games. I wouldn't with any .500 or .550 team because they're all way too inconsistent.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/04/2004 22:22:40]
yea man you're right, im just talkin out of my ass cause I AM STIL REALLY HEATED AND PISSED OFF ABOUT TONIGHT'S GAME, I need to go out get absolutely trashed to get my mind off of this debacle, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE

[Edited by - NYK3 on 12/04/2004 22:26:21]
I wasn't born with enough middle fingers!!!
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12/4/2004  10:25 PM
One thing is for sure, most NY fans don't want to think about next season or the one after that. They want results now. If this team continues to be so weak on D and hot/cold on the O, people will stop watching them. Even if they improve over last year's record, that won't be enough to keep the fans watching.

It's still early, and I can't judge the team before they've played at least a third of their season, but the jekyll/hyde thing will wear out its welcome pretty quickly for paying fans.
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12/4/2004  10:27 PM
Master, I see where you're coming from, but atleast Craw and Nazr produced. Tonight, Craw finished with 41 points and Nazr has a 15/17 game.
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12/4/2004  10:27 PM
And to be sure, the Jekyll ain't so great so far, having attended the home opener.
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12/4/2004  10:29 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

Don't start chalking up the L's right yet. This team is very inconsistant. We can pull of a W on any given night, the same way we can lose on any given night.
The more games we have like this, the more you can sense a change to be made, whether it be trade, or coaching change.

Still should be an interesting season. Just gotta endure the bumps this year.

[Edited by - MaTT4281 on 12/04/2004 22:20:23]


Yes we are consistent to an extent. Almost every game we give very admirable offensive outputs. On the flip side, we are very consistent at giving opponents wide open or point blank shots, easy dribble penetration et al because we are LAST in the league at FG% D. When you play such bad D it puts TREMENDOUS pressure on your O. I remember thinking CHRIST Jamal is 17-20 and we are up 3 points? If we dont get stops, if we dont improve the D, it will be a struggle all year. This struggling against Atlanta and Charlotte is scary.
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12/4/2004  10:30 PM
Real fans will keep watching, and the Knicks have a lot of real fans, even if they are those who just see negativity everywhere and just want to talk about how bad they are even with a winning record. We here have endured many garbage seasons and in those seasons we were optimistic that we would win the next game after killing the team with critics about their last loss.
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12/4/2004  10:30 PM
Posted by NYK3:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by NYK3:
Posted by MaTT4281:

Don't start chalking up the L's right yet. This team is very inconsistant. We can pull of a W on any given night, the same way we can lose on any given night.
The more games we have like this, the more you can sense or change to be made, whether it be trade, or coaching change.

Still should be an interesting year. Just gotta endure the bumps this year.
I agree with you Matt that on any given night we can win but I am just so down on this team when it comes to playing on the road. I have absolutely no confidence in them when they play away from MSG

We're all down right now. Really down. It was an awful game. I just don't rely on any one previous game to make predictions for future games. I wouldn't with any .500 or .550 team because they're all way too inconsistent.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/04/2004 22:22:40]
yea man you're right, im just talkin out of my ass cause I AM STIL REALLY HEATED AND PISSED OFF ABOUT TONIGHT'S GAME, I need to go out get absolutely trashed to get my mind off of this debacle, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE

[Edited by - NYK3 on 12/04/2004 22:26:21]

You're not getting trashed BECAUSE OF the game, are you? Man, I thought I took it really bad when the team lost! This was just a regular season game. Did you do heroin or something when they got swept in the playoffs last year?
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12/4/2004  10:34 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by NYK3:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by NYK3:
Posted by MaTT4281:

Don't start chalking up the L's right yet. This team is very inconsistant. We can pull of a W on any given night, the same way we can lose on any given night.
The more games we have like this, the more you can sense or change to be made, whether it be trade, or coaching change.

Still should be an interesting year. Just gotta endure the bumps this year.
I agree with you Matt that on any given night we can win but I am just so down on this team when it comes to playing on the road. I have absolutely no confidence in them when they play away from MSG

We're all down right now. Really down. It was an awful game. I just don't rely on any one previous game to make predictions for future games. I wouldn't with any .500 or .550 team because they're all way too inconsistent.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/04/2004 22:22:40]
yea man you're right, im just talkin out of my ass cause I AM STIL REALLY HEATED AND PISSED OFF ABOUT TONIGHT'S GAME, I need to go out get absolutely trashed to get my mind off of this debacle, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE

[Edited by - NYK3 on 12/04/2004 22:26:21]

You're not getting trashed BECAUSE OF the game, are you? Man, I thought I took it really bad when the team lost! This was just a regular season game. Did you do heroin or something when they got swept in the playoffs last year?
No, I was going out anyway regardless if they won or lost but now I really wanna get extra trashed cause this was such a bad loss. I TAKE EVERY LOSS HARD, REGULAR SEASON OR PLAYOFFS I JUST HATE SEEING MY TEAM LOSE
I wasn't born with enough middle fingers!!!
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12/4/2004  10:38 PM
From Yahoo Sports:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2004120430

``To be perfectly honest, my performance doesn't matter because we lost,'' Crawford said. ``We didn't get the stops that we needed at the end in order to win. It stings more to lose the close games.''

BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

``Whenever you go into someone's arena and you know how tough they play, you are automatically in for a challenge,'' Knicks guard Stephon Marbury said of the expansion Bobcats. ``Tonight we simply didn't meet that challenge.''

BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12/4/2004  10:39 PM
They always say the right things but it seems like they never do anything about it
I wasn't born with enough middle fingers!!!
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12/4/2004  10:45 PM
Wow!

We had 18 turnovers to Charlotte's 6!! We outrebounded them by 9 (46-37) but still they attempted 92 FG's to NY's 79! Brevin Knight had 18 assists?!?!? We shoot 49% and still lose to an expansion team! GARBAGE EFFORT, it htat can be called effort...

BOOOO!!! GARBAGE!!!!!

[Edited by - KnicksFan on 12/04/2004 22:46:25]
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12/4/2004  11:01 PM
boooo!
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12/4/2004  11:03 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

boooo!
I feel the same way man, I still feel sick from this loss
I wasn't born with enough middle fingers!!!
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12/4/2004  11:04 PM
This team isn't going anywhere. They need to just start Sweetney and see what happens. Okafor easily dominated KT tonight. Sweetney needs to start because with KT being a defensive liability and a non atheletic player this team will struggle all year. Its time to turn the PF position over to Sweetney. Start preparing the team for the playoffs and next year also. They need to get Sweetney ready and get the team prepared to succeed for the future.

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12/4/2004  11:09 PM
Posted by NYK3:
Posted by Knicksfan:

boooo!
I feel the same way man, I still feel sick from this loss

Yeah, this is... just... so... boooo!!!
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12/4/2004  11:30 PM
Brevin freaking knight had 18 assist? to who? Marbury should really balance out his game if he wants to be in the elite group of pg's.

I knew Zeke was a used car salesman, but he gave us a Ferrari body with a hugo engine!
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12/5/2004  12:27 AM
This result was so pathetic that I couldn't help but laugh when the Bobcats kept hitting those clutch shots. Saying that we are going to have our "ups and downs" is over-simplification. We are going to be hitting HRs or strikeout all season long. I think the strikeouts will be in the majority, judging by how bad our defense really is.
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