Nalod wrote:You might be swayed a bit by the short run here.
Landry has had two good games. We win.
Mikal looks off. So the contrast is.
Did Mikal come up big vs Boston last year defensively? Is that gone for good?
Landry had a good game. A really good game.
Did Mikal also guard Edgecome? He was shut down for a good part of the game.
His legs look tired on his shot. Maybe needs less minutes or he a bit injured?
This fan cannot suggest he end the Iron man thing. Source of pride I believe he held the high school and college also. He is currently 11th and by seasons end could be 8th. By contrast he is still just 50% to breaking AC Greens record.

As for the trade, It will take years to really say the outcome being "Worth it". The team went to conf finals last year. Thats matters. WE don't know the draft position nor quality of player available. Then did they develop or not? The very notion of being disappointed at the moment is becuase we did well last year and have expectations . Why? We have a good team. Bank the memory of Mikal two defensive gems vs. Boston last year.

Nalod a big Landry fan. Remember when he was on the fence for the last spot vs. Ryan? I was vocal about it being our guy and making good from last year. Super happy to root for him and see him have a good moment. Suprised how well he has returned from that shoulder injury!

Is he better? Saturday he was!!!

Well , objectively he had 2 defensive plays to hang his hat on in that Boston series. Both coming with less than a minute left. Honestly, I will be the first one to say those defensive plays did not win us the game. They were overrated. Sue me. When the opponent is forced to take a tough shot to tie or win the game that means you have not done your job to put them away, but it also means that the pressure is on them. You don't need to block him unless he is MJ or Bird. Usually. And no, Laundry did not just have 2 good games. As a matter of fact he had probably 2 bad games his whole time here . Mikal? Mikal has had months where he is below average. But he plays every game. Watch Mikal fight over a screen. He seems to ask permission every time " do you mind?" Shamet just goes. Shamet makes screeners move when he fights over. Mikal? " oh, sry I was just trying, no problem, I'll just lag behind, nevermind me please"

VDesai wrote:He isn't better but he plays harder because he isn't afraid of getting hurt (to his own detriment).

Mikal's length and instincts are rare, but he just isnt locked in all the time and avoids contact. The streak IMO is an issue.

I believe the term is ‘aloof’

I say trade him while he still has value. Because teams will catch on and we will be stuck with him .

He’s not a bad player he’s just very mid… and we traded a ton of first for him.

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:You might be swayed a bit by the short run here.
Landry has had two good games. We win.
Mikal looks off. So the contrast is.
Did Mikal come up big vs Boston last year defensively? Is that gone for good?
Landry had a good game. A really good game.
Did Mikal also guard Edgecome? He was shut down for a good part of the game.
His legs look tired on his shot. Maybe needs less minutes or he a bit injured?
This fan cannot suggest he end the Iron man thing. Source of pride I believe he held the high school and college also. He is currently 11th and by seasons end could be 8th. By contrast he is still just 50% to breaking AC Greens record.

As for the trade, It will take years to really say the outcome being "Worth it". The team went to conf finals last year. Thats matters. WE don't know the draft position nor quality of player available. Then did they develop or not? The very notion of being disappointed at the moment is becuase we did well last year and have expectations . Why? We have a good team. Bank the memory of Mikal two defensive gems vs. Boston last year.

Nalod a big Landry fan. Remember when he was on the fence for the last spot vs. Ryan? I was vocal about it being our guy and making good from last year. Super happy to root for him and see him have a good moment. Suprised how well he has returned from that shoulder injury!

Is he better? Saturday he was!!!

Well , objectively he had 2 defensive plays to hang his hat on in that Boston series. Both coming with less than a minute left. Honestly, I will be the first one to say those defensive plays did not win us the game. They were overrated. Sue me. When the opponent is forced to take a tough shot to tie or win the game that means you have not done your job to put them away, but it also means that the pressure is on them. You don't need to block him unless he is MJ or Bird. Usually. And no, Laundry did not just have 2 good games. As a matter of fact he had probably 2 bad games his whole time here . Mikal? Mikal has had months where he is below average. But he plays every game. Watch Mikal fight over a screen. He seems to ask permission every time " do you mind?" Shamet just goes. Shamet makes screeners move when he fights over. Mikal? " oh, sry I was just trying, no problem, I'll just lag behind, nevermind me please"

YOu stated your opinon. Then asked for one.
You obviously are not looking for input, your looking for validation.
Look, doe he win those games vs. Boston? If your looking for agreement, of course not.
Isn't that what its all about though? The playoffs?
You can **** on KAT, but he made Allstar and all nba last year, and the team was sucessful.
Going thru a 2-9 stretch does not invalidate what happend last year does it? If not for KAT and Mikal we'd be better?
Just becuase we were favored this year to win the east is not the same as saying "we supposed to....."

You might not miss him via a trade, but for who?

Nalod wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:You might be swayed a bit by the short run here.
Landry has had two good games. We win.
Mikal looks off. So the contrast is.
Did Mikal come up big vs Boston last year defensively? Is that gone for good?
Landry had a good game. A really good game.
Did Mikal also guard Edgecome? He was shut down for a good part of the game.
His legs look tired on his shot. Maybe needs less minutes or he a bit injured?
This fan cannot suggest he end the Iron man thing. Source of pride I believe he held the high school and college also. He is currently 11th and by seasons end could be 8th. By contrast he is still just 50% to breaking AC Greens record.

As for the trade, It will take years to really say the outcome being "Worth it". The team went to conf finals last year. Thats matters. WE don't know the draft position nor quality of player available. Then did they develop or not? The very notion of being disappointed at the moment is becuase we did well last year and have expectations . Why? We have a good team. Bank the memory of Mikal two defensive gems vs. Boston last year.

Nalod a big Landry fan. Remember when he was on the fence for the last spot vs. Ryan? I was vocal about it being our guy and making good from last year. Super happy to root for him and see him have a good moment. Suprised how well he has returned from that shoulder injury!

Is he better? Saturday he was!!!

Well , objectively he had 2 defensive plays to hang his hat on in that Boston series. Both coming with less than a minute left. Honestly, I will be the first one to say those defensive plays did not win us the game. They were overrated. Sue me. When the opponent is forced to take a tough shot to tie or win the game that means you have not done your job to put them away, but it also means that the pressure is on them. You don't need to block him unless he is MJ or Bird. Usually. And no, Laundry did not just have 2 good games. As a matter of fact he had probably 2 bad games his whole time here . Mikal? Mikal has had months where he is below average. But he plays every game. Watch Mikal fight over a screen. He seems to ask permission every time " do you mind?" Shamet just goes. Shamet makes screeners move when he fights over. Mikal? " oh, sry I was just trying, no problem, I'll just lag behind, nevermind me please"

YOu stated your opinon. Then asked for one.
You obviously are not looking for input, your looking for validation.
Look, doe he win those games vs. Boston? If your looking for agreement, of course not.
Isn't that what its all about though? The playoffs?
You can **** on KAT, but he made Allstar and all nba last year, and the team was sucessful.
Going thru a 2-9 stretch does not invalidate what happend last year does it? If not for KAT and Mikal we'd be better?
Just becuase we were favored this year to win the east is not the same as saying "we supposed to....."

You might not miss him via a trade, but for who?

But doing so would make management look really bad we gave up a ton to get bridges. But maybe coming off the bench would be a wake up call and light a fire under bridges, coming off the bench would give him more of a green light .

VDesai wrote:Shamet isn't better. However if the Mikal role was to guard ballhandlers, shoot threes and provide some secondary shot creation off the bounce- than Deuce does all of those things better than Mikal.

There's been this debate over whether Deuce should start over Hart. Deuce doesn't do the Hart things as well (Rebound, playmaking).

So there's absolutely an argument for Deuce to start over Mikal and not Hart.

Ok, let's take this thought and run with it. Agree that maybe moving Bridges to the bench for a few games might light a fire. Either that or cause discontent. Either would be better than coasting, which I feel he is doing now. If he gets upset with benching then there is going to be a reaction. Bridges being a grownup I expect an adult reaction. We need that for the second half of the season playoff push.

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

VDesai wrote:Shamet isn't better. However if the Mikal role was to guard ballhandlers, shoot threes and provide some secondary shot creation off the bounce- than Deuce does all of those things better than Mikal.

There's been this debate over whether Deuce should start over Hart. Deuce doesn't do the Hart things as well (Rebound, playmaking).

So there's absolutely an argument for Deuce to start over Mikal and not Hart.

Ok, let's take this thought and run with it. Agree that maybe moving Bridges to the bench for a few games might light a fire. Either that or cause discontent. Either would be better than coasting, which I feel he is doing now. If he gets upset with benching then there is going to be a reaction. Bridges being a grownup I expect an adult reaction. We need that for the second half of the season playoff push.

Benching a player for a month of bad games would be disastrous for a team. It’s why coaches don’t do it to guys at that level.

It’s a sure fire way for a coach to get fired or lose his whole team and then get fired. This is like coaching 202.

1) 5 first round picks
2) The Streak
3) Two way player
4) ....drawing blanks here,those two plays in the Celtics series maybe?

Forgot one
5)the Villanova connection. Of course

Btw ,I didn't want this to become a "$hit on Bridges"thread. I actually like him because of point number 3 on my list. I just feel like Shamet might be a better player, that's all