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The Mavericks don't deserve Cooper Flagg
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6/20/2025  11:01 AM
I'm still salty that they miraculously got the 1st pick in the draft with a 1.8% chance.
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6/20/2025  12:03 PM
And Miami didn't deserve LeBum in 2010 and KD didn't deserve to win a ring in 2017 and 2018 and Indiana doesn't deserve to win the championship this year.

If you're a Knicks fan, first and foremost understand your experience is not going to be fair.

But seriously Dallas is one of those franchises who have gotten very lucky. Wish we had half their luck!

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6/20/2025  12:25 PM
LOL, your not wrong.
It infers there is a 98.2% chance they should not have gotten it.
ANd still your not wrong.......
But the best odds are 14% for any of the 3 worst teams to get it.
That infers any one team odds of not getting it are 86%.
86% vs. 98.2. Big difference but no team is ever a lock.

No doubt when we don't understand something we either point to science, or math, or god as the answer.
If your PhilC trying to hang with the cool kids you then add Adam Silver to the conspiracy.
Until one owner, or a disgruntled former owner comes out and says there was a deliberate manipulation to get some players to some markets (I admit some damning!) its just fans makiing up ****.

Team owners are type A hyper competitive animals and some players are worth hundreds of millions so I can't imagine how they, and their most trusted FO could all collude over 30 years and nobody says a thing? If there is a secret cabal of owners with an air tight non disclosure with a punitive penalty that extends beyond their natural life perhaps that keeps it quiet. I'd think Sterling or Sarver would have wanted to shove it up the leagues ass after being forced to sell and perhaps let that cat out of the bag.
Ewing and the folded crease? How did Stern feel his way around all those envelopes to get to that one? Each envelope had 4 sides! If that was really done right one would have thin magnet sheets like they use on refrigerator or automobile signs and Stern has a strong ring to pull that one envelope. Yeah, there are possibilities for an embarrassing situation if he came out with it sticking awkwardly on his hand.

If they never traded Luka and had still gotten Flagg none of this would be a thing?

Lets talk Lakers for a moment. Teams can spend on FO talent and coaches to gain competitive advantage. Knicks top with like 96 FO staff. Thunder have 86. Lakers 56. They don't spend given not so deep pockets. This is why things are exciting in Lakerland as they can not build out a proper staff. We saw this when the last CBA came into effect and guys like Connelly got a big ass deal in Minnesota to jump from Denver. I believe he got some equity in the deal. Low and behold Minny not only been making playoffs but WCF's two years in a row!

Im not down with the Luka to Laker thing is a lock for future success. But, it makes sense if Jeannie is talking about a sale the new owner might have wanted a starphuch in place to keep the fans engaged. I get the logic that the league must have promised something to Dallas to make that deal given the lopsided nature fans perceive. Lets see how Luka fares the next few years.

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6/20/2025  12:28 PM
SergioNYK wrote:And Miami didn't deserve LeBum in 2010 and KD didn't deserve to win a ring in 2017 and 2018 and Indiana doesn't deserve to win the championship this year.

If you're a Knicks fan, first and foremost understand your experience is not going to be fair.

But seriously Dallas is one of those franchises who have gotten very lucky. Wish we had half their luck!

Sure...luck.

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6/20/2025  12:33 PM
SergioNYK wrote:And Miami didn't deserve LeBum in 2010 and KD didn't deserve to win a ring in 2017 and 2018 and Indiana doesn't deserve to win the championship this year.

If you're a Knicks fan, first and foremost understand your experience is not going to be fair.

But seriously Dallas is one of those franchises who have gotten very lucky. Wish we had half their luck!

Knicks tampered with Brunson? Perhaps Flagg is the bonus for not killing the signing?

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6/20/2025  6:28 PM
The Mavs were forced to give Luka to Lakers for league purposes and Flagg is their reward - pretty simple in my pea brain mind.
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6/20/2025  9:12 PM
I don’t buy the conspiracies as I’m not into conspiracy theories in general. But I do think there’s some sort of world order that will keep teams like Charlotte, Washington and Utah away from top prospects/ picks, and allow the teams like Dallas, Philly and San Antonio to be consistently given the opportunities to build up their teams.
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6/21/2025  9:03 AM
Knixkik wrote:I don’t buy the conspiracies as I’m not into conspiracy theories in general. But I do think there’s some sort of world order that will keep teams like Charlotte, Washington and Utah away from top prospects/ picks, and allow the teams like Dallas, Philly and San Antonio to be consistently given the opportunities to build up their teams.

When players like JR Reid, Adam Morrison, Kwame Brown, Anthony Bennett (Cavs), just to name a few off the top of my head go in the top or near of a draft and bust, it sets a franchise back. Utah recently had a 60 win season with Donovan Mitchell who at 14th pick proved amazing.

Washington history is also mixed. John Wall was not a bust but his injuries and full max contract was. Bradley Beal was a nice player, but also maxed and habitually hurt.

Cavs hit pay dirt with Lebron and Kyrie, but Bennett was a huge miss. Did not kill them but if you look over the years top picks are not always the one.

Back to Charlotte, Lamelo Ball is not a bust, but his salary and injury frequency is an issue.

Remember Greg Oden goes no. 1 to Portland who vacillated between him and Durant. One becomes a trivia question and the other an all time great. Portland in 1970 drafted no. 1 a guy named Larue Martin, Again in the 1980s they take Sam bowie a center rather than Jordan who went 4th I believe having already had Clyde Drexler. Granted, nobody saw Jordan as the GOAT. Seems Portland is snake bit taking centers? They did hit with Bill Walton and won a chip with him as MVP in 1977, but his injuries limited his ability to stay not he floor.
In 1968 expansion Milwaukee Bucks won coin flip to draft Lou Alcindor who was Kareem as we all know. 2nd pick Suns take Florida Center Neal Walk. Had a hell of an NCAA career but also a trivia question. Some drafts are deeper than others but top pick does not necessitate automatic success.

It does seem like some teams are lucky vs others, but some teams don't get the years with players that can change history either. Really SAS got very lucky with Timmy in a year David Robinson went down and they tanked (you could then). But the key was drafting Parker and Manu who were not high picks.

Philly tried with Hinkie to get as many picks as possible for a number of years and squandered the opportunities often. Maxy was not a lottery pick. Taken in the teens if I recall. GSW did incredible for a while with Steph, Klay and Draymond but then not with Wiseman and Kuminga who did not step up as hoped.

Its not doubt easier to think conspiracies instead of the mathematical anomalies that occur at times.
Is it a conspiracy when teams wiff on picks? Of course not. Yet those teams were "Granted" them also?
Im not here to talk anyone out of believing in conspiracy. If one wants to believe in Santa Claus who is Nalod to tell you otherwise. Not like Adam Silver crawls down the chimney and leaves me gifts.

The Mavericks don't deserve Cooper Flagg

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