martin wrote:Miles Bridges got 30 games suspension cause of his wife beating thing? I forgot the exact number

I thought Miles got more, but this seems way off relative to the infraction he made here and the drug it was for.

franco12 wrote:This doesn’t make any sense. why is this drug on an anti doping list? Some say it’s not strong, but it allows athletes to work harder as it reduces pain. Too bad as Portis has been great for them.

Maybe this helps?

Tramadol first gained FDA approval on March 3, 1995. Originally it was classified as a non-controlled substance but it was reclassified in 2014 to Schedule IV of the Controlled Substances Act with restrictions on its prescribing. Tramadol is an opioid.

We can dive deep into the morality of one drug vs. another. Last year they put it on the banned list. Lets not take a Tweet who cites an ER whom is not listed as evidence to the contrary. Not when Clicks are the goal for the post. Now we hate on the league because a tweet said it was not very intense? Compared to Morphine its 10x weaker. If Nalod said he was an Orthopedic and I said I rarely prescribe it does that make me an industry or sports authority to cite? Of course not.

Bottom line I'd think league, its Docters and union all worked at drugs listed that can be used and are banned.
The players thru the union use the CBA to clarify and I'd say each player under contract signed off on the list.
Contract says he has to adhere to rules then even if by accident he has to watch what goes into his body.

If These guys want to waive their rights to guaranteed contracts then maybe they can have certain concessions like an opioid pain killer. How much then does one allow for? If he has it in his system and drops dead on thee court or in season on the team plane who is liable? If disabled lets say, then can league cancel the contract?
Can one say the drug might make him sleepy an don't feel well, and say not keep his conditioning up? If so, what if he pulls a hammy, should league then be able to not pay him? Works both ways. I know its silly on the surface if its just one pill, but we don't know that do we? One Pill, or 10. Its the rule.

Its complicated but if they want the financial security of a guaranteed contract they sign to adhere to the rules that protect them, the teams, and the league. I would give Portis the benefit of the doubt but were do you draw the line? That me might have been a first time offender he was afforded perhaps the ability to protest/defend himself in private and perhaps why they waited 3 months to afford him and the team every consideration. End of the day he had a banned substance in his body. It sucks for him financially and for his team. Im sure he is embarrassed and I take it to his word it as an accident. But them is the rules!

firefly wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:This doesn’t make any sense. why is this drug on an anti doping list? Some say it’s not strong, but it allows athletes to work harder as it reduces pain. Too bad as Portis has been great for them.

Maybe this helps?

Tramadol first gained FDA approval on March 3, 1995. Originally it was classified as a non-controlled substance but it was reclassified in 2014 to Schedule IV of the Controlled Substances Act with restrictions on its prescribing. Tramadol is an opioid.

We can dive deep into the morality of one drug vs. another. Last year they put it on the banned list. Lets not take a Tweet who cites an ER whom is not listed as evidence to the contrary. Not when Clicks are the goal for the post. Now we hate on the league because a tweet said it was not very intense? Compared to Morphine its 10x weaker. If Nalod said he was an Orthopedic and I said I rarely prescribe it does that make me an industry or sports authority to cite? Of course not.

Bottom line I'd think league, its Docters and union all worked at drugs listed that can be used and are banned.
The players thru the union use the CBA to clarify and I'd say each player under contract signed off on the list.
Contract says he has to adhere to rules then even if by accident he has to watch what goes into his body.

If These guys want to waive their rights to guaranteed contracts then maybe they can have certain concessions like an opioid pain killer. How much then does one allow for? If he has it in his system and drops dead on thee court or in season on the team plane who is liable? If disabled lets say, then can league cancel the contract?
Can one say the drug might make him sleepy an don't feel well, and say not keep his conditioning up? If so, what if he pulls a hammy, should league then be able to not pay him? Works both ways. I know its silly on the surface if its just one pill, but we don't know that do we? One Pill, or 10. Its the rule.

Its complicated but if they want the financial security of a guaranteed contract they sign to adhere to the rules that protect them, the teams, and the league. I would give Portis the benefit of the doubt but were do you draw the line? That me might have been a first time offender he was afforded perhaps the ability to protest/defend himself in private and perhaps why they waited 3 months to afford him and the team every consideration. End of the day he had a banned substance in his body. It sucks for him financially and for his team. Im sure he is embarrassed and I take it to his word it as an accident. But them is the rules!

Just to say, Nalod, rules is rules, blah blah blah, I don't disagree. I'm a doctor too, and have prescribed Tramadol a lot, post surgery. It shouldn't be on any banned drug list for a sports league. It obviously got swept up by being "technically" an opioid, although it's one of the weakest of the opioid, its an agonist of a different opioid receptor than most heavy-duty analgesic drugs.

It wouldn't surprise me if, following this very weird situation, it gets dropped back off the list. Bobby Portis got very unlucky here.

People abusing Tramadol need to be protected from themselves at all costs. The millions with chronic pain should kick rocks. Well, you know… assuming they can walk.

firefly wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:This doesn’t make any sense. why is this drug on an anti doping list? Some say it’s not strong, but it allows athletes to work harder as it reduces pain. Too bad as Portis has been great for them.

Maybe this helps?

Tramadol first gained FDA approval on March 3, 1995. Originally it was classified as a non-controlled substance but it was reclassified in 2014 to Schedule IV of the Controlled Substances Act with restrictions on its prescribing. Tramadol is an opioid.

We can dive deep into the morality of one drug vs. another. Last year they put it on the banned list. Lets not take a Tweet who cites an ER whom is not listed as evidence to the contrary. Not when Clicks are the goal for the post. Now we hate on the league because a tweet said it was not very intense? Compared to Morphine its 10x weaker. If Nalod said he was an Orthopedic and I said I rarely prescribe it does that make me an industry or sports authority to cite? Of course not.

Bottom line I'd think league, its Docters and union all worked at drugs listed that can be used and are banned.
The players thru the union use the CBA to clarify and I'd say each player under contract signed off on the list.
Contract says he has to adhere to rules then even if by accident he has to watch what goes into his body.

If These guys want to waive their rights to guaranteed contracts then maybe they can have certain concessions like an opioid pain killer. How much then does one allow for? If he has it in his system and drops dead on thee court or in season on the team plane who is liable? If disabled lets say, then can league cancel the contract?
Can one say the drug might make him sleepy an don't feel well, and say not keep his conditioning up? If so, what if he pulls a hammy, should league then be able to not pay him? Works both ways. I know its silly on the surface if its just one pill, but we don't know that do we? One Pill, or 10. Its the rule.

Its complicated but if they want the financial security of a guaranteed contract they sign to adhere to the rules that protect them, the teams, and the league. I would give Portis the benefit of the doubt but were do you draw the line? That me might have been a first time offender he was afforded perhaps the ability to protest/defend himself in private and perhaps why they waited 3 months to afford him and the team every consideration. End of the day he had a banned substance in his body. It sucks for him financially and for his team. Im sure he is embarrassed and I take it to his word it as an accident. But them is the rules!

Just to say, Nalod, rules is rules, blah blah blah, I don't disagree. I'm a doctor too, and have prescribed Tramadol a lot, post surgery. It shouldn't be on any banned drug list for a sports league. It obviously got swept up by being "technically" an opioid, although it's one of the weakest of the opioid, its an agonist of a different opioid receptor than most heavy-duty analgesic drugs.

It wouldn't surprise me if, following this very weird situation, it gets dropped back off the list. Bobby Portis got very unlucky here.

I agree! Why they put it on this year when its been around for 10 years?
Were players using it prior and it was an issue? Jericho Sims?? LOL
This is going to cost him almost 4mm! I doubt Bobby is hurting but its nearly 1/3rd of his take this year.

ToddTT wrote:

firefly wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

firefly wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:This doesn’t make any sense. why is this drug on an anti doping list? Some say it’s not strong, but it allows athletes to work harder as it reduces pain. Too bad as Portis has been great for them.

Maybe this helps?

Tramadol first gained FDA approval on March 3, 1995. Originally it was classified as a non-controlled substance but it was reclassified in 2014 to Schedule IV of the Controlled Substances Act with restrictions on its prescribing. Tramadol is an opioid.

We can dive deep into the morality of one drug vs. another. Last year they put it on the banned list. Lets not take a Tweet who cites an ER whom is not listed as evidence to the contrary. Not when Clicks are the goal for the post. Now we hate on the league because a tweet said it was not very intense? Compared to Morphine its 10x weaker. If Nalod said he was an Orthopedic and I said I rarely prescribe it does that make me an industry or sports authority to cite? Of course not.

Bottom line I'd think league, its Docters and union all worked at drugs listed that can be used and are banned.
The players thru the union use the CBA to clarify and I'd say each player under contract signed off on the list.
Contract says he has to adhere to rules then even if by accident he has to watch what goes into his body.

If These guys want to waive their rights to guaranteed contracts then maybe they can have certain concessions like an opioid pain killer. How much then does one allow for? If he has it in his system and drops dead on thee court or in season on the team plane who is liable? If disabled lets say, then can league cancel the contract?
Can one say the drug might make him sleepy an don't feel well, and say not keep his conditioning up? If so, what if he pulls a hammy, should league then be able to not pay him? Works both ways. I know its silly on the surface if its just one pill, but we don't know that do we? One Pill, or 10. Its the rule.

Its complicated but if they want the financial security of a guaranteed contract they sign to adhere to the rules that protect them, the teams, and the league. I would give Portis the benefit of the doubt but were do you draw the line? That me might have been a first time offender he was afforded perhaps the ability to protest/defend himself in private and perhaps why they waited 3 months to afford him and the team every consideration. End of the day he had a banned substance in his body. It sucks for him financially and for his team. Im sure he is embarrassed and I take it to his word it as an accident. But them is the rules!

Just to say, Nalod, rules is rules, blah blah blah, I don't disagree. I'm a doctor too, and have prescribed Tramadol a lot, post surgery. It shouldn't be on any banned drug list for a sports league. It obviously got swept up by being "technically" an opioid, although it's one of the weakest of the opioid, its an agonist of a different opioid receptor than most heavy-duty analgesic drugs.

It wouldn't surprise me if, following this very weird situation, it gets dropped back off the list. Bobby Portis got very unlucky here.

People abusing Tramadol need to be protected from themselves at all costs. The millions with chronic pain should kick rocks. Well, you know… assuming they can walk.

Woah. Look at you assuming they have feet for kicking.

Sorry. Ever since I started taking Windex for chronic pain I don’t think too good.

I figured