How does Thibs hurt his development if he is not ready? We have been thru this, Some players get a chance, like Kolek and Dadiet early. The did not pass the test. This is a pro league. Paid professionals play that can get the job done. These guys are playing some Gleague and in practice.
When Thibs says they are ready, they they get some run. How can any fan dispute this?
If Thibs is right, EVENTUALLY the fan will be also. Take Decuce. Fans loved him for his defense. He got to play and had a short hook. Kid could not shoot. It took two seasons for him to acclimate. When he did it was like "Finally!".....No, he earned the place in the Queue. We all want our home grown to pan out. IQ had to go thru the process.
When the time is right, or Payne needs a game off, Tyler the greater will get another chance. Maybe its this season, maybe next, or maybe never.

Nalod wrote:So what does Thibs see, or not see that we the fans see?

How does Thibs hurt his development if he is not ready? We have been thru this, Some players get a chance, like Kolek and Dadiet early. The did not pass the test. This is a pro league. Paid professionals play that can get the job done. These guys are playing some Gleague and in practice.
When Thibs says they are ready, they they get some run. How can any fan dispute this?
If Thibs is right, EVENTUALLY the fan will be also. Take Decuce. Fans loved him for his defense. He got to play and had a short hook. Kid could not shoot. It took two seasons for him to acclimate. When he did it was like "Finally!".....No, he earned the place in the Queue. We all want our home grown to pan out. IQ had to go thru the process.
When the time is right, or Payne needs a game off, Tyler the greater will get another chance. Maybe its this season, maybe next, or maybe never.

From the little I've seen of Kolek - while he is a true PG (unlike Payne & Deuce) - he also has trouble staying in front of his man. I imagine Thibs will give him minutes as he further develops and becomes more effective on D (i.e. awareness & rotations etc) as he will likely be a plus on O.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Deuce should be back after the all star break but if he does miss additional time yes

PG: JB/Payne/Kolek
SG: Josh/Deuce/Shamet

This has been the rotation.
What will be interesting is does Delon Wright get any minutes after the break. I can almost see inserting him the starting lineup if Josh misses any time and let the rest of the rotation run. This is a Thibian thing sometimes.
Also in the Thibian manner Shamet is playing well off the ball and a wiling passer. That shot starts falling and he gets the green light it could be 3/4 of DDV off the bench.

Never know. Shamet could be relegated to the end of the bench if he has a timeline to impress and is not. We just don't know.
Thin line being one of Thibs trusted dogs or in the dog house.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Deuce should be back after the all star break but if he does miss additional time yes

PG: JB/Payne/Kolek
SG: Josh/Deuce/Shamet

This has been the rotation.
What will be interesting is does Delon Wright get any minutes after the break. I can almost see inserting him the starting lineup if Josh misses any time and let the rest of the rotation run. This is a Thibian thing sometimes.
Also in the Thibian manner Shamet is playing well off the ball and a wiling passer. That shot starts falling and he gets the green light it could be 3/4 of DDV off the bench.

Never know. Shamet could be relegated to the end of the bench if he has a timeline to impress and is not. We just don't know.
Thin line being one of Thibs trusted dogs or in the dog house.

I think Delon is a break in case of emergency guy. Sims, but as a wing. His offense is pretty cooked at this stage. But at 6'5", he offers more size defensively at the wing. You could make the case he should take Shamet's minutes if Shamet isn't going to hit his shots anyway

At this point Your correct. With Allstar break sometimes comes a reboot of sorts. Teams settle after big trades and not experiment, but perhaps adapt and look for playoffs.

I don't know about Delons shooting vs not having minutes to build rhythm. Might say the same for Shamet who has not had consistent minutes given his injury and uneven play. Fans react so its easy to let loose and let them have it.
After Boston took us apart some fans were ready to make changes. He has not played yet I believe.

Bottom line is OG is not playing and while he might not win DPOY, he is a monster on the court in many ways. Knicks did not pay him 40mm a year to just score or make highlight reels. This guy when he plays for Thibs makes us near elite, Proof? The gaudy records since he joined us.

I believe a fully healthy team we can adapt to big or small lines ups and give any team a run for the money. No team is fully healthy and our bench needs to prove itself beyond the statistic of it being the worst in the league. There is a path but its from within and Hard to convince anyone, including myself because it has yet to happen.

Shamet had a tough shooting year last year which is why he was a cheap FA. To be here one has to go the way of the Thibian and defense first. Shoulder injuries affect shooting but his defense with quick feet is impressive. Still we need more from him.

If Cam does not get the nod, I vote for Ron Baler to get a shot. I mean, fans know best!

toodarkmark wrote:

VDesai wrote:Cam Payne literally is playing some of his best basketball of the season and making a huge difference in games. Literally has the best net rating on the team. And now is the time for play Tyler Kolek thread? I guess we should bench Brunson?

This is the painful thing about fandom. It's so absolutely misguided and ignores what's actually happening, and instead pining for a fantasy. This is the 4th best team in the league, Cam Payne has been a really good player for us, Thibs is an all time coach, so what do fans say?

"We gotta play Kolek!" As if the coach isn't going to play his best players.

This thread is about increases our bench scoring which is last in the league.