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bernard
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11/29/2004  1:56 PM
First, anyone's better than W.

Second, look at this from NBA.com. Dude is ballin:

Ranks #9 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.527)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds(49.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(4.1)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover(1.0)
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Double-doubles(5.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(7.3)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(15.4)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(29.19)

I know. He can't D up against good centers. But how many of them are there? And he had one of his best games of the season in San Antonio, when Duncan was covering him a good part of the time. Right now, the problem with our D isn't Nazr. It's our inability to stop dribble penetration or to play the pick and roll.

I was not a Nazr believer entering the year. He looked awful in preseason and first couple of games. But he's changing my mind fast. And watching the leap he's made on offense gives me confidence that he can improve on D too.

You don't need to be a great athlete to be a very effective center. How many rings does Robert Parish have?
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fishmike
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11/29/2004  1:59 PM
actually, Nazr is a great athlete and not a very good center. But he's been a good pickup for us, and we would be screwed with out him. He gives us good production and hustle from that position and we dont have depth there with Baker being awfull.
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NYKBocker
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11/29/2004  2:06 PM
Count my vote. He is really impressing the hell out of me. I questioned this "Key To The Trade" like a typical New Yorker but his play of late has change my thinking. The thing about him is he knows his role and he is willing to do the dirty work. You watch him and he is always in the paint area. He has an internal clock that tells him to get out of the lane then he goes back in.
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11/29/2004  2:10 PM
statistically he has been great. Now if only we had a true center that he could play alongside of or backup.
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11/29/2004  2:34 PM
Nazr and Kurt are giving us more than any of us imagined before the season started. However, as Raven brought up in another post, they are forced to play a TON of minutes for us to win. I thought Sweets was going to give us about 25 mins a night this season and break out but that hasn't happened. I believe Sweets will be a good player in this league, anywhere between a real solid post guy off the bench to a zach randolph type.

However, if I had the chance to trade Sweetney straight up for a guy like Tyson Chandler, I would have to do it. I can't pass up a 7 footer that can get up and down the floor with Marbs and Craw. He's a great help defender and shotblocker, which would help our defense tremendously.

Nazr, Kurt, Chandler, and JYD is a pretty darn good frontline. If Chandler stays healthy, he could be the center we've been searching for that would perfectly complement this young, up-tempo team.
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TMS
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11/29/2004  3:10 PM
if we could only add a Marcus Camby to this present roster, this team could really make some noise in the East imo.
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bernard
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11/29/2004  3:18 PM
I also would much rather have Chandler than Curry. Chandler boards and plays D. That's what we need more than a post-up guy who's lazy, has some good moves, but turns the ball over like crazy.
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11/29/2004  3:19 PM
Man im getting really tired of all this bad talk about Nazr. He is amazing! Hes performing way beyond any of our expectations and is really giving a boost to our team. Without him our team would be nowhere near as good as they are now. I love watching him develop into the starting center he is. I dont care what any of you say he is one of the top centers in the east. And I agree that he isnt a defensive powerhouse, but honestly his D has been very good; the team defense is what is lacking.
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11/29/2004  3:23 PM
he's not amazing. Crawford and Marbury are amazing. You just watching a good athlete clean up because of what our guards can create. This is why I'm crying for a guy like Swift next year. Think Nazr is a good athlete? Swift is Camby with a mid range jumper and bigger muscles.
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Ray15
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11/29/2004  3:37 PM
Swift, Chandler, Kwame, Nene -- All are young, athletic bigs who would fit in perfect with this team. Swift and Chanlder are great shotblockers who would help our entire defense tremendously. I would say I want Chandler first because he would come cheapest and has the potential to be our starting center for years to come if he can stay healthy. Next would be swift because he's so athletic his long arms make up for his 6'9 frame.
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TMS
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11/29/2004  3:43 PM
Posted by fishmike:

he's not amazing. Crawford and Marbury are amazing. You just watching a good athlete clean up because of what our guards can create. This is why I'm crying for a guy like Swift next year. Think Nazr is a good athlete? Swift is Camby with a mid range jumper and bigger muscles.

fish is dead on imo...most of Nazr's points come off easy dish offs from Marbury or Crawford in the paint, & most of his offensive rebounds come off putbacks after he MISSES on those easy dish offs from Marbury or Crawford in the paint.

put Swift on this team & both Marbury & Crawford would average at least 1 or 2 more assists a game, & you'd have a legitimate shotblocker there as well that this team currently lacks.

i love the way Nazr has been playing lately & giving his full effort every night, but let's not get carried away w/the praise of this guy.
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fishmike
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11/29/2004  3:57 PM
same reason Doleac's production literally doubled the day Marbury became a Knick. Just give me a guy that can finish and play D and your doing pretty good.
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11/29/2004  4:11 PM
kwame would be higher on my list than swift b/c kwame has a chance to be a franchise player. but he would be tougher to obtain.

swift is good and memphis will be unhappy when they realize they gave gasol $80+mil and cardinal $30+ mil while removing swift from the picture. they should just hope to get a good player in return. btw, has jerry west made a mistake in memphis by signing these two guys? as well as giving big dollars to mike miller as well? time will tell...

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11/29/2004  4:14 PM
You can't teach "A nose for the ball". Nazr is always around the ball. His uncanny ability to get offensive rebounds is pretty impressive. I looked at his career averages and his average for offensive rebounds are pretty good. He is a product right now of good coaching. Aguirre and Glymph looks like they are doing wonders with this group of big men. I would rather have player that works hard than a skilled player with no heart.

I know. I know. Spoken like a true 90s Knick Fan.
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11/29/2004  4:15 PM
mike miller is going to break out now that Hubie retired
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11/29/2004  4:19 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I would rather have player that works hard than a skilled player with no heart.

i guess that's why everyone hates a player like tim thomas while loving a player like starks.

thomas is waaaaay more skilled yet starks was all heart.
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11/29/2004  5:04 PM
Fish, you're right that a lot of Nazy's points come off penetration by Marbury, but Nazy is excellent at getting position down low on offense. He can basically get where ever he wants to because he has good footwork (at least on offense) and good strength.

BTW, he leads the league in offensive rebounds per game despite playing only 27 mpg.
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11/29/2004  5:11 PM
i think i mentioned in my earlier post that alot of Nazr's offensive rebounds result from his own lack of ability to finish off passes from Marbury & Crawford...to his credit though, he sticks w/the play & doesn't just give up when he misses the layups in the paint.
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Bonn1997
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11/29/2004  5:17 PM
Posted by TMS:

i think i mentioned in my earlier post that alot of Nazr's offensive rebounds result from his own lack of ability to finish off passes from Marbury & Crawford...to his credit though, he sticks w/the play & doesn't just give up when he misses the layups in the paint.
Some of them result from that, but he still has an outstanding FG%. So, he can't be missing that many FGs.
bernard
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11/29/2004  5:20 PM
Nazr does seem to get 1 or 2 boards a night finishing off his misses, but he's still shooting 53%. If he hit those gimme's, he'd be leading the league in FG% and his bounds would drop 1 or 2 per game ... he'd be equally efficient.

Yes, a lot of his shots are lay-ups off penetration, but he's been hitting off his low post moves too. He's just on a roll, and we shouldn't take anything away from him. Of course he's not in Marbury's class, but right now he's outplaying all but the handful of star centers in the league.
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