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11/28/2004  10:16 PM


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/256916p-220055c.html

The day after his first full-contact practice since March, Allan Houston was wearing an electric stimulation device, and he was talking about how his left knee felt a little sore.
But he was also sounding optimistic.

"I feel good," he said. "I feel young again."

Houston remains encouraged by how his rehab is going, although he couldn't say for sure how much he would participate in the Knicks' practice today. The Knicks were hoping he could take part in his first full-court scrimmage today, after he took part in full-contact, half-court drills on Friday.

"It's a little sore," Houston said of his knee. "Every time we've taken a big jump, it's been like that."

But Houston said his body feels great, and that he wasn't worried about the knee soreness.

He said Friday that he wanted to play sometime during the Knicks' upcoming four-game road trip, possibly as soon as Saturday in Charlotte, the first game of the trip.






Now hes playing it off like it doesent matter, but if his knee is already a little sore after a half court scrimmage... that seems VERY scarey to me im i alone here?

if it is possible in any way shape or form for him to PERMINANTLY fix his knee like surgery watever so that it will never be sore again would u guys wait another season to have him? or would u rather have a houston wit sore knees now since he is gettin old

then again, if we wait... he might pull a grant hill

i for one would rather wait since we arent winnin a championship this year anyways


im scared... thoughts?
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11/28/2004  10:55 PM
He doesn't have healthy cartilage. The only surgery that I know of is microfracture surgery (which he already had). It's usually a very bad sign when a player has to have that surgery (esp. if they're not young).
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11/28/2004  11:04 PM
He's already had the surgery. Its just down to rest now. I hope he doesnt rush back...the worst thing for him to do would be to rush back. We're not in some desperate situation where we have to get him in the lineup, and there's still a lot of time for him to get acclimated to the team once he comes back.
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11/28/2004  11:08 PM
I've had reconstructive ACL surgery done on my right knee before. In your opinion, is that more or less serious than having microfracture surgery?
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11/28/2004  11:19 PM
Posted by NYKDUNK:

I've had reconstructive ACL surgery done on my right knee before. In your opinion, is that more or less serious than having microfracture surgery?
I'm not sure, actually. The only NBA players I'm aware of who have had microfracture surgery are:

Houston (missed 32 games last year and all 12 this year)
Jamal Mashburn (likely to retire)
Kerry Kittles (took over one year off)
Penny Hardaway (took over one year off)
Chris Webber (took almost one year off)
Eduardo Najera
Jason Kidd (hasn't played yet this year)

Reconstructive ACL surgery is definitely more common and more players have had full recoveries from that. So, it might be slightly less serious. I'm definitely not an expert. I just read a lot about players' injuries.
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How's your knee?


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11/28/2004 23:19:57]
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11/28/2004  11:25 PM
Bonn...you're right with the rarity issue. It's not necessarily than ACL injury is more or less severe than the injuries which require microfracture surgery...its just the microfracture surgery is much less common. You see almost double digit numbers of guys in the 3 major sports who tear their ACL every year. It's gotten to the point where the rehab and surgical methods are more refined. The microfracture is relatively new and we're still seeing mixed results, and no one right way to rehab.
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11/28/2004  11:30 PM
Kerry Kittles is probably the best success story in the NBA from microfracture surgery. He's still very fast, although I think he was a little faster (especially at penetrating in the half-court) before the injury.
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11/28/2004  11:33 PM
Kerry's recovered but IMO, he was definitely a more explosive (and faster) athlete before. His development arc pretty much tapered off because of the injury.
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11/29/2004  12:28 AM
Just play.
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11/29/2004  2:14 AM
penny hardaway should be the perfect example of why you wouldn't want houston back too early... and grant hill is the perfect example of why you would want him to wait...

penny, admittedly, came back to play after his knee surgery way before his knee was ready and has never been the same... my man can barely even dunk anymore...

grant hill, chilled and took the time he needed to rehabilitate fully, and is playing like he never lost a step...

two guys who were supposed to be hall of famers... at least grant hill will still be able to make it some day...
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11/29/2004  4:48 AM
the guy hasn't played for a lot of time. his whole body should be sore right now.

he won't have to play the same way he did for us before. marb and craw will help him to carry the scoring load. I'm confident he'll fit right in and be able to manage his knee.
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11/29/2004  9:33 AM
I agree with Raven.He hasnt scrimmaged in a while,he was bound to be sore.Houston was probably told this would happen.

In the last year or so he was concerned whenever he was having problems with his knees,this time he isnt.He knows his body better than anyone else so unless it gets progressively worse I wouldnt be concerned about it at this point.
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11/29/2004  9:53 AM
I'm not that concerned about it, but it's not like he was completely inactive before this scrimmage. He'd been running and doing other drills. And the knee is the only part of his body that's sore (or at least the only part that he mentioned). I'm still hoping that he'll eventually be able to be an effective role player.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11/29/2004 10:07:06]
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11/29/2004  10:05 AM
sore doesnt bother me.. functionality does. Ewing was "sore" for 10 years. 5 years ago I tore my ALC, partially tore the MCL and tore the miniscus is 2 places. I still have 3 screws in my knee.

I dont pretend to be on Allan Houston's level in terms of athletics but I do play 40 baseball games over a summer. All in center field, batting cleanup and I play every inning of every game. My knee is sore after every game. Sometimes there is swelling and I need ice, other times its just sore. But I still run down balls with anyone, steal bases and go from 1st to 3rd with anyone.
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11/29/2004  10:08 AM
Posted by fishmike:

sore doesnt bother me.. functionality does. Ewing was "sore" for 10 years. 5 years ago I tore my ALC, partially tore the MCL and tore the miniscus is 2 places. I still have 3 screws in my knee.

I dont pretend to be on Allan Houston's level in terms of athletics but I do play 40 baseball games over a summer. All in center field, batting cleanup and I play every inning of every game. My knee is sore after every game. Sometimes there is swelling and I need ice, other times its just sore. But I still run down balls with anyone, steal bases and go from 1st to 3rd with anyone.
He may just have to fight through soreness for the rest of his career. Do you think he'll have full strength and quickness back even if he's sore?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11/29/2004 10:09:17]
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11/29/2004  10:29 AM
foolish me was beginning to believe that Houston was 100% and would last the entire season but I think I'll go back to my prediction that he will be done after 20 games.
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11/29/2004  10:32 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

foolish me was beginning to believe that Houston was 100% and would last the entire season but I think I'll go back to my prediction that he will be done after 20 games.

Im not that pessimistic but with knee problems you never know,it could go either way.
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11/29/2004  11:44 AM
Jason Kidd had microfracture surgery way back in Phoenix
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11/29/2004  11:47 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Jason Kidd had microfracture surgery way back in Phoenix

didn't know that. never heard of it. so you can come back from that kind of stuff ? nice to know.
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11/29/2004  11:50 AM
yeah the year they started off 0-13 then kidd came back and lead them to the playoffs with a 40-42 record.
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