Bridges will come around but he honestly is a luxury that I'm not sure we needed to lose 5 first rounders for... he's a longer Hart with more athleticism and much better shooting. I understand we would never trade him after giving up so much for him. Neither needs to go but would we have been better served if Bridges left instead of Donte? It does seem like having DDV stand at the 3pt line was a better balance for the outside in way we are playing...vs Bridges and his excellent mid-range game. Bridges is also a much better defender...

Hart is an amazing glue guy but it seems like so is Bridges and also OG. I guess you can never have too much glue but don't we need to bind all that glue in a better way?

jskinny35 wrote:It would never happen... but if it were on the table - would you trade Mikal Bridges or Josh Hart (+filler) for Donte DiVencenzo (=filler)?

Bridges will come around but he honestly is a luxury that I'm not sure we needed to lose 5 first rounders for... he's a longer Hart with more athleticism and much better shooting. I understand we would never trade him after giving up so much for him. Neither needs to go but would we have been better served if Bridges left instead of Donte? It does seem like having DDV stand at the 3pt line was a better balance for the outside in way we are playing...vs Bridges and his excellent mid-range game. Bridges is also a much better defender...

Hart is an amazing glue guy but it seems like so is Bridges and also OG. I guess you can never have too much glue but don't we need to bind all that glue in a better way?

No. Bridges has had solid 3 point shooting percentages but he's more streaky than pure. I'd like to wait and see on him. I'd also like the offense to do a better job of putting in positions to succeed. As for Josh... I'd hate to see how soft this team is without him. Maybe if Precious shows major improvement.

Nalod wrote:We gonna go get DDV whom we got for free, but now pay Bridges who cost us 6 picks, all because of 9 game stretch were we were 4-5? 6 of the 9 were road games.
We lost to Indy, who is a good team, Clev, a good team, and Boston.

Read a blog that popped up saying "Should knicks trade bridges for Zach Lavine? Afterr 9 games? are you ****ing kidding me?
They can't find a deal for him, yet we gonna blow 5 picks on a NovaKnick, and after 9 games, bail and get Lavine?

The Tommy Beer inciting posts don't help. What's Patience now? 15 games? 20? Half a season.
These are my thoughts.

I did think the roster was weird after the Bridges trade but in hindsight DDV was made trade fodder. The Kat for Randle thing was no surprise but DDV was. I thought it would be Mitch and he'd be rerouted. a

No the post is not meant as a reactive "we need to trade b/c the sky is falling" post... I am bringing up a point which is did we overswing with paying 5 picks for Bridges even if we knew we were going to part with DDV. I am starting to think you no matter the villanova connection you don't pay that much for a 3rd star you use as a role player (3 and D wing). If we had a do over or Minn hypothetically wanted to deal - would it help us with roster balance to swap them and make such a move. I already stated it won't happen but wondered this at the time of the trade.

I don't care about the record right now because it's early and we are waiting for players to come back from injuries... but I really don't like the change in play style personally as we seem more 3pt focused and softer defensively. KAT isn't going anywhere and he's not super tough at the rim - and he's surrounded by 4 nearly undersized players at the remaining positions. So if we are playing 5 and out and that was the whole plan when trading for KAT and seeing him as a 5 - wouldn't DDV have been better to hold onto vs Bridges? DDV plays his role and spaces better... and had good chemistry with Brunson IMO. Bridges is solid 3pt shooter (maybe streakier), but a better shot creator... and def more mid-range. Then I think that's kind of what OG does so it is redundant in the system we are playing? DDV last season was like Novak when we let Melo go one on one back in 2012-14 - you couldn't leave him because he was going to let it fly from 3-5 feet behind the line.

And I do believe Minn would have accepted Bridges with Randle for KAT - and we probably could have secured another asset coming back while holding onto DDV. And yes I understand there is no way we would trade a player for 5 picks and then retrade him shortly after.

But would we be better served if we did?

jskinny35 wrote:

Nalod wrote:We gonna go get DDV whom we got for free, but now pay Bridges who cost us 6 picks, all because of 9 game stretch were we were 4-5? 6 of the 9 were road games.
We lost to Indy, who is a good team, Clev, a good team, and Boston.

Read a blog that popped up saying "Should knicks trade bridges for Zach Lavine? Afterr 9 games? are you ****ing kidding me?
They can't find a deal for him, yet we gonna blow 5 picks on a NovaKnick, and after 9 games, bail and get Lavine?

The Tommy Beer inciting posts don't help. What's Patience now? 15 games? 20? Half a season.
These are my thoughts.

I did think the roster was weird after the Bridges trade but in hindsight DDV was made trade fodder. The Kat for Randle thing was no surprise but DDV was. I thought it would be Mitch and he'd be rerouted. a

No the post is not meant as a reactive "we need to trade b/c the sky is falling" post... I am bringing up a point which is did we overswing with paying 5 picks for Bridges even if we knew we were going to part with DDV. I am starting to think you no matter the villanova connection you don't pay that much for a 3rd star you use as a role player (3 and D wing). If we had a do over or Minn hypothetically wanted to deal - would it help us with roster balance to swap them and make such a move. I already stated it won't happen but wondered this at the time of the trade.

I don't care about the record right now because it's early and we are waiting for players to come back from injuries... but I really don't like the change in play style personally as we seem more 3pt focused and softer defensively. KAT isn't going anywhere and he's not super tough at the rim - and he's surrounded by 4 nearly undersized players at the remaining positions. So if we are playing 5 and out and that was the whole plan when trading for KAT and seeing him as a 5 - wouldn't DDV have been better to hold onto vs Bridges? DDV plays his role and spaces better... and had good chemistry with Brunson IMO. Bridges is solid 3pt shooter (maybe streakier), but a better shot creator... and def more mid-range. Then I think that's kind of what OG does so it is redundant in the system we are playing? DDV last season was like Novak when we let Melo go one on one back in 2012-14 - you couldn't leave him because he was going to let it fly from 3-5 feet behind the line.

And I do believe Minn would have accepted Bridges with Randle for KAT - and we probably could have secured another asset coming back while holding onto DDV. And yes I understand there is no way we would trade a player for 5 picks and then retrade him shortly after.

But would we be better served if we did?

The tone of fans has been reactionary and your post after the indy game was one of many. Thus while it was not your intent it comes off that way.
If this was at seasons end perhaps it would been in reflection part of a whole season. But you wrote it after 9 games.

Given the price for bridges is one aspect I say no. But I also have to give it time for it to come together. OG was a revelation when he came in. It was amazing and it was mid season. I suppose there are a ton of expectations with this roster NOW. The FO has a vision for where they want to go. We are not privy to it or the short term expectations. We fans want to win 60 games and make the finals. Its possible, but in detail the legions of coaches and FO staff know what need to be accomplished for that to be a reality. Its not what Thibs speaks after games. Its way more. But we are not privy to all that.

Its a process.

DDV is struggling in Minny, he’s playing well on D but apparently the D as a whole has regressed since KAT left. Not that he was ever known for his D. But you never know how a trade will affect a team.

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Knicks fell ugly when the 3 was not working. The comeback was they went right into the Bulls defense in the paint and destroyed them. Vooch and Lavine are not great defenders.
Bridges had nice run and his midrange pull ups are money.

For the money, deuce has done very well off the bench in the row DDV was supposed to play last year. Grimes was the starter, suppose to be our defense guy and long range shooter. No doubt Bridges is that and more. The long ball is my concern for the team. Again, I do prefer Josh off the bench.

Knicks sign Donte and Lakers got Gabe Vincent on similar 3 year contracts. Before NY, Donte had a pretty darn good year with GSW and Gabe was doing pretty good things in Miami before Lakers.

Gabe played 11 games last year and so far 11 games this year and is shooting a solid 13% from 3 point land across those 2 year of an incredible small sample size but it's obvious he is struggling.

Donte got us to KAT as a trade piece along side Randle and Gabe is deadweight right now across 2 seasons so far.