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The man has a good point. I understand Thibs has a process but he has to adjust when he is running the starters into the ground in game 9 of the season man.

Yep. This is the 3rd game we are loosing in the 4th quarter in the same manner. Last night we had 3 starters with over 40 minutes, basically played the whole game with 6.5 players. Its pretty clear that we will still be loosing close games at the end if nothing change. Some people expect that this will change once injured players come back. However they don't take into consideration that in a long season we will have more injuries going forward, especially if we still keep playing the starters over 40 minutes each game.

In addition what happen with Kolek last night I can not understand. The guy was taken out within 2 minutes. So how many mistakes did he do within those 2 minutes to warrant taking him out and keeping him out the entire game? Isn't it common sense that rookies will do mistakes and we had to support them to get through that? Most coaches will sit the rookie down, explain to him what he did wrong and how to correct it and sometime in the game throw him back again. The way he was out, never to return, is a pure recipe for disaster for a rookie.

franco12 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Hard to figure this team out. Offense has been elite. Defense has moments but glaring red flags as well. Crunch time has been very poor (brand new team tings). Probably still a case to be made of a super high ceiling somewhere here. Brunson needs to take over games down the stretch and hes been mid in crunch time. Need one our defensive bench bigs back to see how that impacts the lineup (Jericho is impactless). Getting a volume shooter involved like Ryan and Shamet as well.

A couple small tweaks can fix things a lot because we are a bad 4th quarter away from winning almost every game besides Boston.

I disagree with Jericho being impactless. I think he should be given a larger role. I think he should start next to Towns to help with defense and rebounding.

I think this was shared here earlier. Sims is one of those role players who doesn’t necessarily show up in the stat sheet. I’d start him, and look for him to grab boards and help defend the paint. Move Hart and Bridges to the bench (start McBride to help with the outside shooting and ball movement.)

That helps balance the bench and starting line up.

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Next to Towns - YES. I didn't realize how good Kat is offensively --- didn't realize the skill was SO ELITE.

Sims as a back-up and only player with size around the rim leaves me lacking (same for Kat) but Sims is far more mobile, quick vs Mitch for example. Sims can switch out and play 1 V 1 man and playing next to Kat he can hit the boards, kick offensive rebounds out and share rim protection with Kat. Big item is Jericho will also sets screens --- Mitch is kind of useless setting screens.

I don't mind the idea of Brunson/Mikal/OG/Kat/Sims because the other 4 guys negate most of Sims weaknesses - could work.

Bench becomes Payne/Deuce/Hart/(Mikal/OG)/Precious

LivingLegend wrote:Going to duck before making this statement

If Deuce isn't going to defend at a high level (his calling card coming into the league) than he is a 6'1" (with hair shooting guard who can't create his own shot or buckets for others).

He needs to defend the ball better - he's getting killed off the dribble...regardless how nice a guy/story he is.

He gets a pass yesterday- I suspect he was under the weather and if we had others on the bench, he probably sits.

But the same applies to OG, Bridges - Jalen, Josh - all the open threes are why?

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Clean wrote:

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The man has a good point. I understand Thibs has a process but he has to adjust when he is running the starters into the ground in game 9 of the season man.

Yep. This is the 3rd game we are loosing in the 4th quarter in the same manner. Last night we had 3 starters with over 40 minutes, basically played the whole game with 6.5 players. Its pretty clear that we will still be loosing close games at the end if nothing change. Some people expect that this will change once injured players come back. However they don't take into consideration that in a long season we will have more injuries going forward, especially if we still keep playing the starters over 40 minutes each game.

In addition what happen with Kolek last night I can not understand. The guy was taken out within 2 minutes. So how many mistakes did he do within those 2 minutes to warrant taking him out and keeping him out the entire game? Isn't it common sense that rookies will do mistakes and we had to support them to get through that? Most coaches will sit the rookie down, explain to him what he did wrong and how to correct it and sometime in the game throw him back again. The way he was out, never to return, is a pure recipe for disaster for a rookie.

I try not to question Thibs but it is 100% frustrating when he puts in a bench player - early in the game (ex 1st half) and we aren't losing ground in the game score but Thibs quickly subs the guy out to run a starter back in.

On the flip side given the bench is holding the score in line - we could stretch those minutes and take an extra 5-8 minutes off the starters legs. Just weird how he thinks 2 minutes in 1st half does anything for anybody.

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The man has a good point. I understand Thibs has a process but he has to adjust when he is running the starters into the ground in game 9 of the season man.

What I take most from this post is sometimes it takes a full year for talent to mesh, along with time to make subtle tweaks and additions to the supporting cast.

LivingLegend wrote:

schizash wrote:

Clean wrote:

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The man has a good point. I understand Thibs has a process but he has to adjust when he is running the starters into the ground in game 9 of the season man.

Yep. This is the 3rd game we are loosing in the 4th quarter in the same manner. Last night we had 3 starters with over 40 minutes, basically played the whole game with 6.5 players. Its pretty clear that we will still be loosing close games at the end if nothing change. Some people expect that this will change once injured players come back. However they don't take into consideration that in a long season we will have more injuries going forward, especially if we still keep playing the starters over 40 minutes each game.

In addition what happen with Kolek last night I can not understand. The guy was taken out within 2 minutes. So how many mistakes did he do within those 2 minutes to warrant taking him out and keeping him out the entire game? Isn't it common sense that rookies will do mistakes and we had to support them to get through that? Most coaches will sit the rookie down, explain to him what he did wrong and how to correct it and sometime in the game throw him back again. The way he was out, never to return, is a pure recipe for disaster for a rookie.

I try not to question Thibs but it is 100% frustrating when he puts in a bench player - early in the game (ex 1st half) and we aren't losing ground in the game score but Thibs quickly subs the guy out to run a starter back in.

On the flip side given the bench is holding the score in line - we could stretch those minutes and take an extra 5-8 minutes off the starters legs. Just weird how he thinks 2 minutes in 1st half does anything for anybody.

Every team gonna have a set philosophy on how to develop players, Knicks got theirs and it seems pretty consistent.

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franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

schizash wrote:

Clean wrote:

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The man has a good point. I understand Thibs has a process but he has to adjust when he is running the starters into the ground in game 9 of the season man.

Yep. This is the 3rd game we are loosing in the 4th quarter in the same manner. Last night we had 3 starters with over 40 minutes, basically played the whole game with 6.5 players. Its pretty clear that we will still be loosing close games at the end if nothing change. Some people expect that this will change once injured players come back. However they don't take into consideration that in a long season we will have more injuries going forward, especially if we still keep playing the starters over 40 minutes each game.

In addition what happen with Kolek last night I can not understand. The guy was taken out within 2 minutes. So how many mistakes did he do within those 2 minutes to warrant taking him out and keeping him out the entire game? Isn't it common sense that rookies will do mistakes and we had to support them to get through that? Most coaches will sit the rookie down, explain to him what he did wrong and how to correct it and sometime in the game throw him back again. The way he was out, never to return, is a pure recipe for disaster for a rookie.

I try not to question Thibs but it is 100% frustrating when he puts in a bench player - early in the game (ex 1st half) and we aren't losing ground in the game score but Thibs quickly subs the guy out to run a starter back in.

On the flip side given the bench is holding the score in line - we could stretch those minutes and take an extra 5-8 minutes off the starters legs. Just weird how he thinks 2 minutes in 1st half does anything for anybody.

Every team gonna have a set philosophy on how to develop players, Knicks got theirs and it seems pretty consistent.

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So one mistake for Kolek but Wingstop allowed how many wide open 3s?

Do parents and teachers treat kids of different ages and experiences differently?

I think there are several, well-defined steps the Knicks want their young guys to go thru. Like it or hate it, this is how they’ve decided to treat them.

Also think Thibs gives his vets lots of minutes to let them figure things out. He did it with Randle too.

You don’t handle 6 year vets the same as you do rookies, I think that makes sense. Lot of grey area after that.

Fans keep going back to the Thibs doesn’t develop yutes, and they also just want their coach to play the yutes whenever it suits their fandom and win-only mentality wants.

Do we like it that the coaching staff may be prioritizing something else outside of pure wins?

Maybe Thibs forgot there are 82 games and there are some dudes on the bench? It’s possible.

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Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

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Knixkik wrote:We need more from Mikal on both ends. He hasn’t been the difference maker he needs to be.

He has been the difference maker, for all the wrong reasons. Honestly so much hate has been directed at KAT that nobody is seeing how terrible Bridges has been?

No one is saying Bridges has been good.But I think KAT's offense has blinded people to his defensive fit. The system doesn't fit the roster defensively. And to be honest, it can be tweaked on offense as well.

Agreed....not fan of having Towns play strictly drop....I explained the other issues I see in the post above.

This is also why I said Kat as a 4 would not work here. Imagine him and Mitch playing deep drop. We would give up even more open shots.

I think KAT at the 4 would work a bit better. KAT is at his best when he's man to man. Even that clip of him on Jokic that had everyone glazing his defense was strictly man coverage. KAT's defensive IQ isn't there and it gets exposed when in drop. There's a reason why the Wolves gave up so much for Gobert.

Kat at the 4 takes away some of the advantages he has on the offensive end at the 5. For example, He blew by Lopez when he tried to man-up on Kat the 3 point line for easy dunks and lay ups. If Kat is playing beside Mitch, Lopez and other shot -blockers will be waiting for him at the rim if he is able to get by much quicker 4's.

Also, the spacing that Brunson enjoys now will be nearly non-existent with Mitch and Hart on the court at the same time. I don't think the front office traded for Kat with the idea of playing him at the 4. The idea was to open up the floor with Kat at the 5.

No doubt. One of the reasons I wasn't in love with the trade in the first place. But, I think you still take advantage of the KAT mismatch by posting him up. KAT will create mismatches no matter where we is. Sure, opposing 5s can help, but that plays into Mitch's strengths as an offensive rebounder. Will JB lose some spacing? Maybe. But we're at a point where his counterparts are matching or surpassing his offense anyway. We need to figure out a way to slow them down.

It's actually one of the reasons I liked the trade. KAT gives us options; he can play the 4 and 5 and I like the advantages he gives us offensively at the 5. I think he and Mitch can share the floor when we need a key defensive stops down the stretch depending on the matchups. Not a fan of them starting and playing major mins together.

Just an FYI, according to statistics, we are a top 3 offense right now. When we are healthy and Thibs has full roster of players to choose from, he has to do a good job of mixing and matching. That will be his challannge. Mitch and and Precious should help on the defensive end and on the boards.

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LivingLegend wrote:Going to duck before making this statement

If Deuce isn't going to defend at a high level (his calling card coming into the league) than he is a 6'1" (with hair shooting guard who can't create his own shot or buckets for others).

He needs to defend the ball better - he's getting killed off the dribble...regardless how nice a guy/story he is.

I agree Deuce’s defense is lacking currently. He might be hurt. However, Deuce can create his own shot.

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DLeethal wrote:

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The man has a good point. I understand Thibs has a process but he has to adjust when he is running the starters into the ground in game 9 of the season man.

What I take most from this post is sometimes it takes a full year for talent to mesh, along with time to make subtle tweaks and additions to the supporting cast.

Not like anyone in the UK been saying this since they got KAT.
This is gonna take time to round out the bench.