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11/28/2004  5:35 PM
Sweetney 2nd yr 17.4mins 7.9pts 4.0rebs 55fg%

Zach Randolph 2nd yr 16.9mins 8.4pts 4.5rebs 51fg%

The state line doesn't really mean anything but in my opinion I think though Sweetney isn't putting up big time #s his 2nd yr. He is learning how to play at the NBA level and he will eventually put up solid #s consistantly.
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11/28/2004  5:48 PM
I am predicting Zach like breakout for Sweets at the beginning of this playoffs or beginning of next season. You can just see it coming.
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11/28/2004  5:56 PM
Posted by martin:

I am predicting Zach like breakout for Sweets at the beginning of this playoffs or beginning of next season. You can just see it coming.
sweets has more guys in front of him i think here - namely lenny and thomas
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11/28/2004  6:24 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by martin:

I am predicting Zach like breakout for Sweets at the beginning of this playoffs or beginning of next season. You can just see it coming.
sweets has more guys in front of him i think here - namely lenny and thomas

I think that Wilkens would use a 3 person rotation of Kurt, Sweets, Nazr if Sweets was up to it on both the defensive and offensive end of things.

Sweets still is learning defense. You can see how he guards the pick-and-roll - not good - and where and when he doubles or helps - also not good.

In the offense, you can collapse on him a little and he is worthless in the post. Also, check out the way he sets pick - not good .

It'll take time.
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11/28/2004  6:43 PM
Sweetney's minutes and performance have declined dramatically since the hand injury.

As for the Zach comparison, there are a lot of similarities, but Sweetney doesn't have the quickness Zach has (and he's also about 1.5 inches shorter than Zach). But they are both strong, wide players with good low-post ability and good foot-work.
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11/28/2004  8:47 PM
It's not fair to expect him to post 20/10 like randolph, but if sweets ends up averaging 16/8/1 with some defense unlike zach and stays out of trouble like randolph, I'd be very pleased.
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11/28/2004  11:26 PM
As long as we're just having a little fun:

Rookie year stats:

Kobe Bryant (18 years old): 15.5 mpg, 7.6 PPG, 1.9 RPG, 1.3 APG
Trevor Ariza (19 years old): 15.4 mpg, 5.5 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 1.5 APG
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11/28/2004  11:30 PM
I don't think a Randolph style break out is out of the question. Slowly but surely I think Sweetney is getting it. Its hard to tell what his ceiling is right now, but if he makes the move its going to happen this year or next year IMO. Of course he's gonna have to get the big minutes at some point (30-35 mpg over a long stretch of games). It seems there are very few late bloomers in this league who weren't high schoolers, or who weren't guys that bounced around or went undrafted.
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11/29/2004  4:50 AM
i'd rather have a 18/8 sweet over a 20/10 randolph.

At least, sweet has a brain and a good attitude. he passes the ball. randolph can't even spell the word "pass".
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11/29/2004  10:40 AM
i doubt very much that Sweets ever becomes a 20/10 type player in this league...14/9 would be my guess...he doesn't have the athleticism or the outstanding jumpshot to offset his lack of athleticism to reach those elite #'s.
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11/29/2004  12:42 PM
he needs to learn to play defense at this level. He's shown he can block some shots on help but he gets out of position a lot and doesnt move his feet enough. I think a lot of this is his weight, where Briggs is right.. he needs to be down to 250 or so. 240 would even be better.. thats where Anthony Mason was. 6'8 250-240
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11/29/2004  12:56 PM
yeah Sweetney at best is 15 & 10 I think
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11/29/2004  1:14 PM
Dudes here's the problem with sweetney. HE CAN ONLY PLAY ONE DAMN POSITION. He doesn't have the range, nor the speed, and athletisim to play the SF ( which almost every super star PF can play, except duncun). He's to short to play center.

Ever super star player in this league is capable of playing more then one position. The only other position sweetney can possible play is SF at his height, which would require him to lose another 20lbs or so.

Zach can play some center, but he's a inch or 2 taller then sweetney. This is also why his minutes are getting shorter and shorter, simply becuase he's limited.

Barkely had range, speed, a litle athletisim, and was a relentless worker and rebounder( the only thing he has in common).
At the same time, he can't defend quicker pf's, or slower sf's which at times makes him a liabilty if all he can do is offensively rebound the ball, and unless he's avg 6 of those a game he will be stuck at the 10 to 12 mpg slot.
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11/29/2004  1:21 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by martin:

I am predicting Zach like breakout for Sweets at the beginning of this playoffs or beginning of next season. You can just see it coming.
sweets has more guys in front of him i think here - namely lenny and thomas

We used to call that "Laydenism"! Ie: not playing rookies in favor of higher priced vets.
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11/29/2004  1:23 PM
Elton Brand can only play one position. I definitely would never play Zach at center. His defense is bad enough at PF. Many stars are one position players. If Sweetney takes off 20 pounds and plays one and only one position (PF), I think he'll do well. He's obviously working very hard, though. I don't know if he'll be able to take off even more weight.
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11/29/2004  1:33 PM
Exactly, when was the last time you seen Elton Brand in a ALL Star uniform, when was the last time you seen Elton Brand on a winning team. Elton brand is a solid player, don't get me wrong. But you can't mix it up with him.

take a look at the top 8 pfs in this league
KG
Duncun
Dirk
Rasheed
Webber
ONeal , even Kmart and walker. These guy's are versitile, and to me they cause match up problems al the time.
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11/29/2004  2:25 PM
One big diff between Zach and Sweets is their outside shot. Sweetney needs to buy a shot from 12 feet and out. Plus, Zach doesn't seem to have a consience.
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11/29/2004  3:19 PM
I disagree Sweetney has a solid jumpshot he just deosn't look for it. If he gets the ball 15 feet away open he would rather take it to the basket and try and draw the foul than shoot the jumper. But he is cappable of hitting that 15 foot jumper. He has good form.

He isn't a great one on one defender but I have seen him make some big defensive plays one on one with some nice blocks after his man thought he had him beat. He is a good help defender who will continue to get better.

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11/29/2004  3:44 PM
Even if Sweetney got down to 240-250 no way he could play SF. He looks really awkward when he is moving laterally defending his man, he does it, but it doesn't look natural at all.

Are they not giving Sweetney more minutes perhaps because they don't want to showcase him? Maybe they don't want to trade him, if that's the case, the coaching staff must see something I don't because I would trade Sweetney for the right deal in a second.

i doubt very much that Sweets ever becomes a 20/10 type player in this league...14/9 would be my guess...he doesn't have the athleticism or the outstanding jumpshot to offset his lack of athleticism to reach those elite #'s.

I agree 100% even losing 25-35 lbs would elevate his game to STAR status.
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11/29/2004  4:58 PM
Posted by Stevo718:

Even if Sweetney got down to 240-250 no way he could play SF. He looks really awkward when he is moving laterally defending his man, he does it, but it doesn't look natural at all.

Are they not giving Sweetney more minutes perhaps because they don't want to showcase him? Maybe they don't want to trade him, if that's the case, the coaching staff must see something I don't because I would trade Sweetney for the right deal in a second.

i doubt very much that Sweets ever becomes a 20/10 type player in this league...14/9 would be my guess...he doesn't have the athleticism or the outstanding jumpshot to offset his lack of athleticism to reach those elite #'s.

I agree 100% even losing 25-35 lbs would elevate his game to STAR status.
?? If you don't want to trade someone, you simply decline trade offers. You don't bench someone if you think he can contribute just because you're concerned about his trade value going up.
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