franco12 wrote:well - we should have sat these guys because clearly not getting right.

We have to ask about the doctors and also- guys always want to help their team win - but Randle tried to avoid surgery, and probably delayed his return.

OG maybe should have sat longer with the elbow surgery.

Maybe we wouldn't have been a 2 seed - but maybe we would have had healthier guys.

Not following above.

Randle was undercut on a layup, fell and dislocated his shoulder — if he’d had surgery he would have missed season anyway (I think) - he delayed to try to rehab and play

OG got hurt running full sprint and lunging on a breakaway - what does that have to do with his elbow?

And Mitch is Mr Glass regardless if it was Embid falling on his ankle

Are you saying Knicks have bad doctors?

Feb
March
April
May
June
July.

Need 6 months to heal and rehab and get into world class shape. Lets look at a calendar again, eh?
He would not be ready for summer league!
Mitch? Rushed back? I don't have his medical chart, do you?
OG Missed 14 games. Then came back.
He played three more games. All wins. All contributed. one he shot poorly. Then he sat 4 games.
Then came back, we lose one game, then win 5 straight.

Blame the doctors? They cleared him. He cleared it. You get paid tens of millions as a professional you play hurt, you play in pain, you do your job.
His Hamstring game? He was having the best game of his Knick career. 27 min had 28 pts, was a menace on defense, and team was rolling.

These guys don't play season would have been over by now.

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Randle got hurt on Jan 27th. Lets say they gave him a few days. Feb 1st.

Feb
March
April
May
June
July.

Need 6 months to heal and rehab and get into world class shape. Lets look at a calendar again, eh?
He would not be ready for summer league!
Mitch? Rushed back? I don't have his medical chart, do you?
OG Missed 14 games. Then came back.
He played three more games. All wins. All contributed. one he shot poorly. Then he sat 4 games.
Then came back, we lose one game, then win 5 straight.

Blame the doctors? They cleared him. He cleared it. You get paid tens of millions as a professional you play hurt, you play in pain, you do your job.
His Hamstring game? He was having the best game of his Knick career. 27 min had 28 pts, was a menace on defense, and team was rolling.

These guys don't play season would have been over by now.

I remember reading that Randle would have theoretically been ready in June- maybe it was here, maybe it was twitter or an actual professional article.

Doesn’t matter- hindsight is that he needed the surgery.

OG played, got hurt that same game - played 3 more, clearly wasn’t right, sat.

Yes- these guys get paid big bucks and some of them, understanably and admirably, come back too soon.

I don’t think I am saying anything controversial, but what is up with our medical staff?

And look - i get it - doctors are just guessing.

Your a frustrated fan who said 6 months.
Your a frustrated fan who second guessing doctors with only information released to the public.
There is no way to quantify if the doctors have been correct or not because we are not privy to details.

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Randle got hurt on Jan 27th. Lets say they gave him a few days. Feb 1st.

Feb
March
April
May
June
July.

Need 6 months to heal and rehab and get into world class shape. Lets look at a calendar again, eh?
He would not be ready for summer league!
Mitch? Rushed back? I don't have his medical chart, do you?
OG Missed 14 games. Then came back.
He played three more games. All wins. All contributed. one he shot poorly. Then he sat 4 games.
Then came back, we lose one game, then win 5 straight.

Blame the doctors? They cleared him. He cleared it. You get paid tens of millions as a professional you play hurt, you play in pain, you do your job.
His Hamstring game? He was having the best game of his Knick career. 27 min had 28 pts, was a menace on defense, and team was rolling.

These guys don't play season would have been over by now.

I remember reading that Randle would have theoretically been ready in June- maybe it was here, maybe it was twitter or an actual professional article.

Doesn’t matter- hindsight is that he needed the surgery.

OG played, got hurt that same game - played 3 more, clearly wasn’t right, sat.

Yes- these guys get paid big bucks and some of them, understanably and admirably, come back too soon.

I don’t think I am saying anything controversial, but what is up with our medical staff?

And look - i get it - doctors are just guessing.

Your a frustrated fan who said 6 months.
Your a frustrated fan who second guessing doctors with only information released to the public.
There is no way to quantify if the doctors have been correct or not because we are not privy to details.

Details? Sorry - we’re dealing with Facts. Robinson had surgery on the same ankle he hurt and had surgery on previously.

I have been waiting for Embid to announce having a second surgery on his knee.

These guys are all resuming activities too quickly. The body doesn’t, on normal humans, heal that quickly.

I’m not a frustrated fan. I’m disappointed. January was the best basketball I think most of us alive as Knick fans have seen. Maybe the Frazier/Reed Knicks were better - I was way too young.

I think we were getting career best performances out of Randle and Brunson. Who knows what they do next year.

But again, to question the medical staff should not be controversial.

Randle, Robinson, OG- all hurt, came back or tried in Randle’s case, and experienced a set back.

Waiting would have allowed them to heal more fully.

Your making medical assumptions in hindsight like your privy to details and making a logical blanket statement that assumes the staff was incorrect.
There are different procedures, care, rehab, and recovery choices that each had to consider.
Without his charts and full details what was Robinsons initial injury, his recovery, rehab, and procedure done then, and now? Same Ankle, but same location?
Were there choices made that was to get him back sooner or was he given sufficient time to heal and rehab? to say "well, he reinsured it" without any detail is very presumptuous.

Logically your not incorrect.

Randle set back from what I read occurred when his shoulder popped out again rehabbing it. No two labrum tears are the same.

nycericanguy wrote:Thought this was a new thread and my heart sank. why revive this?

Me too, another surgery now would be game over.