Clean wrote:An interesting thing is the NBA is taking down compilations of how dirty joel was last game. I never seen them do that before. Now the question is are they protecting him or the refs for throwing the game?

good question

I might be bitter.

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Clean wrote:An interesting thing is the NBA is taking down compilations of how dirty joel was last game. I never seen them do that before. Now the question is are they protecting him or the refs for throwing the game?

good question

The NBA is in the middle of a deal with Amazon for broadcasting rights.

Can’t have it be known that last year’s MVP is a piece of **** mental-case scumbag.

Do you think the convo goes like this: "Look Prime people, we can't *pick* winners and losers but we can put our hand on the game. Like NY-Philly for example. We want what you want, right? More games, so Sixers gonna get the calls tonight and even know we *know* Embiid is a **** like Dray, we let him do his thing and voila, more games! Let me make a call and watch this."

Exactly. And then that alien Silver tries to weasel himself a free Prime membership.

ToddTT wrote:I don’t want to wish the weekend away, but I can’t wait until game 4, and hopefully some revenge.

Maybe I’ll go hang out at the airport and see if I can hit on Jennifer Garner.

Guns a-blazing, revenge style?

Like every year he gets hurt at seasons end and cannot get to conf. finals?
Its already been there.

My dudes, are we not the ones making excuses now?
Not like the refs were putting the ball in the basket for them.
Im not saying things are pure and teams don't get help, but if you good enough to supersede it then its moot.

You can separate the person from the behavior that's actually something that they teach adults who work with young folks, but the idea that you have to defend whatever your player does no matter what sometimes is a bit concerning, but I get it (Sixers fans).

Seems we're are apparently fine with supporting behavior when it comes to sports I guess it's a gladiator arena in ancient Rome?

no matter how illogical and horrible it might be as long as they're "your own" engaging in horrible human behavior that gets what you want you know that chip?

So, no problem with engaging in narcissistic, selfish survivalist behavior. We good with that.. and yes, I have been guilty of this too.

As a Knicks fans I admit to supporting the kind of behavior that the Pistons learned was what they had to do to stop Michael Jordan and give Scottie Pippen a migraine, then came back to haunt us in that infamous 1997 Miami series, or led to incident that exacerbated racism such as the malice at the palace.

We know this lead NBA to get rid of it all, and a lot of backlash towards the flopping of LeBron and all these other other types of histrionics that were happening before anyway

'cause I seem to recall Reggie Miller and Michael Jordan doing it A LOT,

The superstar treatment is a bit of a problem sometimes.

It justifies a lot of privilege that sometimes is too much and creates a lot of anger, but maybe that's what the NBA wants make sure you watch it instead of play NBA 2K, call of duty or whatever video game or whatever else you're doing instead of watching games on TV.

It adds fuel to the fire for you to watch the next game, because they know they're competing with that and they need a product that can.

That seems a bit problematic to me, but what do I know??

Well, I do know that after the All-Star break, the NBA started to change some things to the way, they're refereeing games. We all know this now..

Following years and years of leaning towards supporting the team with the ball, in a backlash to the previous era, the NBA found themselves with a number of issues.

Scores, player stats and numbers that were so inflated that it was not as enjoyable or comparable.

They need the hardcore fans to keep the "fire" going, and the all offense no D was losing certain hard-core fans as they lose fans to video games, and social networking on their devices, not watching actual games.

So, after a decade or so of basically no help for defense it was not doing the NBA as much as they wanted anymore,

Always it just saying to see how utility, meaning it's not really about helping anyone it's about using things to get something, plays a role in professional sports, but people don't always see that they think it's some kind of moral play.

I could think of how major league baseball knew that the players were taking all of the substances and they let it go because they wanted those fans back in the seats following the 1994 season and how fans really did not come back and we're losing interest and pretty much continually, but help them earn what they the owners needed to get their cash money flowing again.

And then those same players they turned the blind eye to once the target was on their back they for sure happy to throw them under the bus. no problem.

So they're worried about their product and it's true. It was better when there was more defense and it's better now on some level, there's part of me that wonders if the refs are having a hard time because suddenly they have to change everything and that letters and skill is much higher than it was back then.

Think it's an adjustment and it's challenging for them to figure out what to do and I think when we're yelling at the refs a lot maybe we're not realizing how hard it might be for them to be adapting to this dramatic shift.

I like the idea of having physical intensity and not calling some of the fouls that even happened against what the Sixers wanted in the same game where Joel Embiid tried initiate contact to get a foul and didn't get it.

I was like oh thank you finally that's nice, but it was far too little far too late.

I see comparisons on the usual nonsensical reactions on YouTube on the athletic article that people are ready to tar and feather someone who I'm pretty sure as a nick fan in Fred Katz for the way he wrote his article about the game.

I wonder how one of those went for us?

The northeast coast of the US can be a cesspool of vitriolic over the line fandom.

They literally made a movie about it: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1228953/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_q_big%2520fan

I admit as fans of the New York Knicks we ourselves have had this happen within our own fan base on this forum expressed in various forms at times leading to certain members leaving the forum entirely or having de facto Civil War on here for years i.e. the lovers and haters debate that lasted only until people couldn't take it anymore or as we know with our good old friend, DJ Su abandoned the team entirely.

In fact, I find it interesting that I've noticed a lot of fans older than millennials, but not as old as those who remember the 70s teams have kind of burned out from watching the Knicks more so than other generations.

I've noticed this when I've interacted with some other fans elsewhere I used to be big fans and just exhausted I think.

Meanwhile, let's be real.

Philly fans have a reputation too I believe and I think it's even affecting Joel Embiid, and is connected to my comments about the north east of the United States and the kind of sports van culture that exist there Philly, New York, Boston.

For Philly, we know about the Michael Irving incident and we know there's even a documentary about how horrible they can be. of course this is not all of them. This is a certain group of fans just like the same group of fans of our our tour posters of Julius Randle down after we lost last season in the playoffs. or the same people that led to the headline when Ewing left good riddance.

We have it in our own fanbase we can't deny it or are we gonna pretend that it's not there?

To Philly and their fans, with all due respect for the reasons they have to be upset about refereeing in this series, and apparently they seem to think in the past, and that might be fueling some of their anger, even though it has nothing to do with us...

Philly fans and Joel Embiid seem to have what comes across to me as what makes sense on level is a chip on the shoulder because Philly likes to think of it as a tough guy so it ain't so cool when you have that aura and you haven't won even though you got an MVP and a dominant force and did all these things to get him to win.

I kinda sorta hate to break it to Philly fans, but the comparisons they're making to what happened in some of the previous games by the refs to what Joel Embiid did in the last game and also the fact that there were bad calls against the next two in previous games or non-calls repeatedly isn't really a good logical comparison, but in my best impression of Tina Turner...

"What's logic got to do with it?"

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people digging into Joels dirty past been coming up with all kind of stuff I never seen. WTF was this?

Wow. Honestly, it looked like he gave some extra falling on Mitch's leg (when he got legit hurt). Here's to a Josh Hart round house kick to the functioning side of his face today.