Can’t tell what Monty and Tony Weavers over in Detroit doing.

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martin wrote:Brooks and FVV were obvious overpays and Updoka has his problems, but those risks look to have paid off, especially with Green kicking into high gear.

Can’t tell what Monty and Tony Weavers over in Detroit doing.

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You can spend a couple of seasons going for the draft picks, but you need to move to phase 2 quickly in this league in order to establish culture, which is spending on winners. VanVleet and Brooks for all of their flaws are proven winners who can make a team buy in. Coaching is important but having leaders playing with you is more important. All Detroit has done is drafted BPA without fit in mind and assumed the parts would eventually come together, and it’s not that easy. Cunningham, Thompson, Ivey, and Hayes are all different versions of the same archetype; combo guards who are athletic but can’t really shoot and aren’t playmakers for others. Fit matters. It’s why Haliburton and Fox both broke out when they got away from each other. Detroit is a recent case study of how not to build a team. They didn’t even draft that bad outside of Hayes, but the pieces have no real chance to come together.

I still think Hinkie's premise that franchise talent wins in the NBA still holds and a team like San Antonio with Wemby is going to win a championship before the Knicks do. Hope I'm wrong, but I've accepted, I guess, the idea that this group is going to be entertaining, give it their all but probably come up short.

Do think Culture is important. Team first players who sacrifice for good of the team.
But that don't mean much either if you don't have talent.

So really luck, talent and culture. A lot to ask and reason why it's so hard to win a chip.

martin wrote:Brooks and FVV were obvious overpays and Updoka has his problems, but those risks look to have paid off, especially with Green kicking into high gear.

Can’t tell what Monty and Tony Weavers over in Detroit doing.

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I actually like that Pistons team. I understand that its a very young team but I'm starting to think that maybe Monty isn't that good of a coach

Monty Williams had the kind of season that gets coaches fired if they are not in first year of massive contract. With that kind of security you also have the luxury of playing yoot and laying a foundation. They did improve as season went on and perhaps injuries mattered. Ivey shooting is an issue. Few times I saw them he reminded me of Shumpert. Uber athletic but fundamentally unsound shooting. Westbrook type??? Kid is still really young. I suggested they look at bringing in Draymond Green but he would have to elevate his temperament to be a leader. He runs the risk of blowing it up too?

There was little incentive to tanking this year.

Nalod wrote:I don't know if Detroit tanked. "Tank" implies not trying or structure minutes to players without regard to objective of winning. I think they did. They just failed.
Pre Wemby spurs tanked.
Wiz? They just sucked.

Monty Williams had the kind of season that gets coaches fired if they are not in first year of massive contract. With that kind of security you also have the luxury of playing yoot and laying a foundation. They did improve as season went on and perhaps injuries mattered. Ivey shooting is an issue. Few times I saw them he reminded me of Shumpert. Uber athletic but fundamentally unsound shooting. Westbrook type??? Kid is still really young. I suggested they look at bringing in Draymond Green but he would have to elevate his temperament to be a leader. He runs the risk of blowing it up too?

There was little incentive to tanking this year.

Maybe they didn’t tank but they also didn’t develop. Or develop enough.

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fishmike wrote:depends on who is doing the developing.

When Thibs was hired many said he was old/antiquated/obsolete but if we have learned anything it's that the guys who stick around and earn his trust "play the right way"

I wish Thibs was here for Knox. I feel like he coulda had a chance. Also, imagine he was there to develop Frank like he has Deuce? No guarantees obviously, but I think things might be a little different for those guys.

I don't think they even draft those guys if Thibs is here, but Knox might have had a better chance at NBA life. Frank on the other hand probably would've remained on the bench due to his hesitation to let it fly. Thibs loves those corner threes and would've had enough of Frank passing up those open chances.