joec32033 wrote:I tried on trade machine but I couldn't get it to work is there a way to three way Donovan to Brooklyn, Mikal to NY and picks and other goodies to Cleveland?

A lot of trade machines stop working this time of year because it's past the trade deadline. The key point is to more or less matchup salaries going in and out.

A possible framework could be:

Knicks guarantee Bojan Bogdanovic
Knicks trade BB to Cleveland (20m out) (23m in)
Nets trade Mikal to NY, DFS to Cleveland (37m out) (35m in)
Cleveland trades DM to Brooklyn (35m out)(35m in)

That gets you pretty close, enough to at least just add a minimum salary guy or two. Obviously the Knicks would have to give up a bunch of picks to make that happen. BKN too. 4 seeds don't usually go for a rebuild, so I don't see it as too likely. It probably makes more sense for NY to just trade BB for Mikal straight up and attach a bunch of picks.

joec32033 wrote:I tried on trade machine but I couldn't get it to work is there a way to three way Donovan to Brooklyn, Mikal to NY and picks and other goodies to Cleveland?

Knicks are hard capped for this season so trying right now would be tough. Have to wait to draft time for it to work.

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I tried on trade machine but I couldn't get it to work is there a way to three way Donovan to Brooklyn, Mikal to NY and picks and other goodies to Cleveland?

Knicks are hard capped for this season so trying right now would be tough. Have to wait to draft time for it to work.

Sorry. Not Sorry. You can switch to the 2024-2025 season and put it on "arcade mode" to drop the trade restrictions due to timing.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/manage/

That said, there is virtually no trade that makes sense for Cleveland to trade Mitchell and let anyone other than Cleveland get Bridges. Cleveland is "all in" so picks do nothing for them. But, if I am Mitchell, why am I going to Brooklyn if Bridges is leaving?

Oh, I love this, didn't know about it thanks.

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I tried on trade machine but I couldn't get it to work is there a way to three way Donovan to Brooklyn, Mikal to NY and picks and other goodies to Cleveland?

Knicks are hard capped for this season so trying right now would be tough. Have to wait to draft time for it to work.

Sorry. Not Sorry. You can switch to the 2024-2025 season and put it on "arcade mode" to drop the trade restrictions due to timing.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/manage/

That said, there is virtually no trade that makes sense for Cleveland to trade Mitchell and let anyone other than Cleveland get Bridges. Cleveland is "all in" so picks do nothing for them. But, if I am Mitchell, why am I going to Brooklyn if Bridges is leaving?

Mitchell with some good wings in BKN is ok, and he gets his max money and is in NYC. He won't contend right away but we assume that all players are hung up on "legacy". Not that they want to see themselves as "Loser", but Legacy also is creating a multigenerational wealth and perhaps create an education legacy for many in his family and outside.
Lebrons legacy is one thing on the court. We can argue all day is he or Jordan the GOAT vs. Career, Vs. chips etc.
Lebron funds schools and perhaps takes great pride in the lives he has impacted and lifted up and those kids futures.
Lebron is more transparent in his philanthropic work. Kyries legacy on the court is as flaky player but his foudnation does nice things and perhaps at the end of the day some players see this wealth as a life time ability to further causes. Jordan is not so transparent and is often viewed as just a GOAT who has sociopathic drive to win and compete. He values his privacy so perhaps his generosity is not as well known.

Im sure Mitchell wants to win. No player says othewise or gets marketed as a loser or just "nice guy".
Someone one day will elevate nets and create a fan base of some sorts. While Knicks might be his preferred team based on what can be left to win with after a trade on paper we really don't know what this dude is about. He does carry some leverage to where he will sign but carries risk to have that freedom. He blows his knee out he might not have that winning legacy but he'd have the rest of his life to build on something if he so chooses with enormous wealth. For that matter he might just be an ordinary dude who wants creature comforts and not concerned with elevating a cause.

Clev might find a really good situation with Mikal and say two picks for Mitchell (need more salary). That might enhance Garland to player more naturally and they get a wing defender as good as any. Clev would have to resign him also but that not a bad situation for either. That makes more sense on the surface than what Knicks might want to part with.
We got picks, but Clev. has more current aspirations than building with picks. If we do something its a three way?

As for Knicks, how he would land here matters as would his fit.
as for DDV, he is a great fit on a great contract and perhaps provides a better value for knicks than DM given that salary and the resources that could cost to make a deal.
I admit, I lack the vision to see beyond the chess pieces that Leon and Co. could put together that we can contend with.
Healthy we are contenders to some degree as we are if we run it back and resign iHart.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Clean wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I tried on trade machine but I couldn't get it to work is there a way to three way Donovan to Brooklyn, Mikal to NY and picks and other goodies to Cleveland?

Knicks are hard capped for this season so trying right now would be tough. Have to wait to draft time for it to work.

Sorry. Not Sorry. You can switch to the 2024-2025 season and put it on "arcade mode" to drop the trade restrictions due to timing.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/manage/

That said, there is virtually no trade that makes sense for Cleveland to trade Mitchell and let anyone other than Cleveland get Bridges. Cleveland is "all in" so picks do nothing for them. But, if I am Mitchell, why am I going to Brooklyn if Bridges is leaving?

The Cavs are all in now because they have Mitch. Have you seen how bad they are without him? They won't be all in if they trade him. He will also have more leverage the closer it gets to his free agency. The problem is he is too nice to use his leverage. I doubt we get him but the Cavs probably won't be all in after a trade and who will trade them another star without a primise of him re-signing with him when his contract is up? It all depends on how he chooses to use his leverage.

They are all in because they don't own their own draft picks for the next 8 years. Tanking does nothing for them.

Well, if we are using that logic then I guess the Nets are also all in. How good is that doing them? Them having no assets make a trade for draft assets more likely. The worst thing for a team is to be trash with no way to improve for the future. The Cavs like the Nets are trash without Mitch. At least the Nets got some assets for Harden. The Cavs will need to at least do the same.

On another note, The Nets are dumb to not have traded Bridges to the Rockets for their picks back. They would at least be able to tank for a chance at a better future. Bridges is a good player but not a number one and I doubt a number 2.

Clean wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Clean wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I tried on trade machine but I couldn't get it to work is there a way to three way Donovan to Brooklyn, Mikal to NY and picks and other goodies to Cleveland?

Knicks are hard capped for this season so trying right now would be tough. Have to wait to draft time for it to work.

Sorry. Not Sorry. You can switch to the 2024-2025 season and put it on "arcade mode" to drop the trade restrictions due to timing.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/manage/

That said, there is virtually no trade that makes sense for Cleveland to trade Mitchell and let anyone other than Cleveland get Bridges. Cleveland is "all in" so picks do nothing for them. But, if I am Mitchell, why am I going to Brooklyn if Bridges is leaving?

The Cavs are all in now because they have Mitch. Have you seen how bad they are without him? They won't be all in if they trade him. He will also have more leverage the closer it gets to his free agency. The problem is he is too nice to use his leverage. I doubt we get him but the Cavs probably won't be all in after a trade and who will trade them another star without a primise of him re-signing with him when his contract is up? It all depends on how he chooses to use his leverage.

They are all in because they don't own their own draft picks for the next 8 years. Tanking does nothing for them.

Well, if we are using that logic then I guess the Nets are also all in. How good is that doing them? Them having no assets make a trade for draft assets more likely. The worst thing for a team is to be trash with no way to improve for the future. The Cavs like the Nets are trash without Mitch. At least the Nets got some assets for Harden. The Cavs will need to at least do the same.

On another note, The Nets are dumb to not have traded Bridges to the Rockets for their picks back. They would at least be able to tank for a chance at a better future. Bridges is a good player but not a number one and I doubt a number 2.

This is absolutely insane to me and I don’t get how dumb their GM is or maybe I got the details wrong.

Nets went from Durant, Kyrie, Harden and no draft picks (2 years ago?) to Mikal, Ben Simmons, Cam Thomas, Dorian Finley Smith and no picks?

It’ll be totally wild when Nic Claxton walks this summer, or they overpay to keep him

Is that the short of it? And those Nets guys’ values ain’t on the rise

LOL

It’s why - in a more than 2 team scenario - I think the Knicks could possibly have a shot at Mikal but it’d have to be an “overt” overpay by NY if the Nets GM had the nuts to engage the Knicks and save some face. Or maybe he could be a coordinated patsy on his way to getting fired.

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Clean wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I tried on trade machine but I couldn't get it to work is there a way to three way Donovan to Brooklyn, Mikal to NY and picks and other goodies to Cleveland?

Knicks are hard capped for this season so trying right now would be tough. Have to wait to draft time for it to work.

Sorry. Not Sorry. You can switch to the 2024-2025 season and put it on "arcade mode" to drop the trade restrictions due to timing.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/manage/

That said, there is virtually no trade that makes sense for Cleveland to trade Mitchell and let anyone other than Cleveland get Bridges. Cleveland is "all in" so picks do nothing for them. But, if I am Mitchell, why am I going to Brooklyn if Bridges is leaving?

The Cavs are all in now because they have Mitch. Have you seen how bad they are without him? They won't be all in if they trade him. He will also have more leverage the closer it gets to his free agency. The problem is he is too nice to use his leverage. I doubt we get him but the Cavs probably won't be all in after a trade and who will trade them another star without a primise of him re-signing with him when his contract is up? It all depends on how he chooses to use his leverage.

They are all in because they don't own their own draft picks for the next 8 years. Tanking does nothing for them.

Well, if we are using that logic then I guess the Nets are also all in. How good is that doing them? Them having no assets make a trade for draft assets more likely. The worst thing for a team is to be trash with no way to improve for the future. The Cavs like the Nets are trash without Mitch. At least the Nets got some assets for Harden. The Cavs will need to at least do the same.

On another note, The Nets are dumb to not have traded Bridges to the Rockets for their picks back. They would at least be able to tank for a chance at a better future. Bridges is a good player but not a number one and I doubt a number 2.

This is absolutely insane to me and I don’t get how dumb their GM is or maybe I got the details wrong.

Nets went from Durant, Kyrie, Harden and no draft picks (2 years ago?) to Mikal, Ben Simmons, Cam Thomas, Dorian Finley Smith and no picks?

It’ll be totally wild when Nic Claxton walks this summer, or they overpay to keep him

Is that the short of it? And those Nets guys’ values ain’t on the rise

LOL

It’s why - in a more than 2 team scenario - I think the Knicks could possibly have a shot at Mikal but it’d have to be an “overt” overpay by NY if the Nets GM had the nuts to engage the Knicks and save some face. Or maybe he could be a coordinated patsy on his way to getting fired.

The Nets have picks, just not their own.

This team would do better with an SG like Mikal Bridges. Someone who can score 20ppg but doesn't need to though. And can play elite defense at the 2.

TheMTL wrote:Eh, I'm not keen on Donovan Mitchell anymore. Brunson has ascended to his level and I see alot of redundancies in both their games.

This team would do better with an SG like Mikal Bridges. Someone who can score 20ppg but doesn't need to though. And can play elite defense at the 2.

You right.

After having had lots and lots of coffee this morning, and let's just say having had a good, long opportunity to sit and think, I am off the Donovan train for the Knicks. For the moment at least I'd guess that Donovan will try for the Knicks - cause why not, right - but it's just too complex a maneuver, for reasons.

And really, when you have Steph Curry on your team, do you want a second one or is it better to put your resources into getting a Klay Thompson compliment next to him?

I'd guess that the Knicks FO probably are targeting guys more like Mikal and Deni. My dream is both

Deni this offseason, Mikal after that. Let Deuce work on his handle and PG skills; for me, he has shown enough in that area.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

TheMTL wrote:Eh, I'm not keen on Donovan Mitchell anymore. Brunson has ascended to his level and I see alot of redundancies in both their games.

This team would do better with an SG like Mikal Bridges. Someone who can score 20ppg but doesn't need to though. And can play elite defense at the 2.

You right.

After having had lots and lots of coffee this morning, and let's just say having had a good, long opportunity to sit and think, I am off the Donovan train for the Knicks. For the moment at least I'd guess that Donovan will try for the Knicks - cause why not, right - but it's just too complex a maneuver, for reasons.

And really, when you have Steph Curry on your team, do you want a second one or is it better to put your resources into getting a Klay Thompson compliment next to him?

I'd guess that the Knicks FO probably are targeting guys more like Mikal and Deni. My dream is both

Deni this offseason, Mikal after that. Let Deuce work on his handle and PG skills; for me, he has shown enough in that area.

A package that includes McBride/Mitch and say 3 FRPs feels like a good starting point for Bridges and he's guy who's fit makes sense. Brunson/Bridges/OG/Randle/IHart with DD/Josh and another rim protector (or maybe Precious) is a pretty sick line up

That's the kind of upgrade I would look at. I am not looking at anything that's not a clear upgrade on both sides of the ball. Is Donovan coming here to play off the ball and elite defense? That's what we need next to Brunson. Otherwise I'll just setting for beating Donovan in the first round each year

For me, that's just too much. I think. If Claxton leaves, you have leverage against them on the Mitch-inclusion front.

I don't know if I'd do it but I guess it would depend on the picks and the plan to shore up the backup C position cause that is KEY in the Knicks system, more than the desperation for Mikal at SG, cause you have McBride, DDV, Hart to cover that spot.