fishmike wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:Mitch is coming off the bench.... Randle's shot might be off, but he's still a great facilitator and ball handler. Really just comes down to what version of him returns.

Homer in me tells me the worst scenario is we have a good run but Randle needs surgery but ends up being piece we need to win a title next year

My feeling is that Randle is on his way out. If we are assuming that OG joining CAA is an indicator that he will re-sign with the Knicks. Does Randle leaving CAA give the opposite? Randle/Bogs would appear to be the salary package in any trade for a top 20 player, no?

Interesting thought - if he believes he’s on the way out is it in his best interest to sit out 1) doesn’t risk injury 2) rather than be a potential scapegoat he is viewed as missing piece because he was hurt and we fall short

is it you all's first day here? Randle is not going anywhere... skinny saying PF is an area we can upgrade. Really? There's a 25/10/5 2x AS in his prime and is a proven fit here. Cmon guys... Randle is getting extended next season. They are locking these 3 up

100% Randle isn’t going anywhere, when this team is healthy they complement each other so well. A healthy OG is the ultimate glue . Add a DPOY candidate in Mitch and a 2 time all star in Randle who is playing great prior to injury.

You could argue a Knicks healthy rotation is the best in the east and The Knicks when healthy have a legitimate chance of winning the title.

I’ve been a born and raised Knick fan that lived through the Ewing years. I don’t even think it’s debatable, this is the best roster of my lifetime of watching knick basketball.
I don’t even think it’s debatable, if Ewing had this roster he’d be a champion.

A healthy focused Randle is going to make us very hard to beat. A big as talented as Randle is only going to be moved for another equally or more talented big if that opportunity comes about, I expect our guys in the front office to act accordingly. With that said there’s not that many bigs better than Randle.

Panos wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fishmike wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:Mitch is coming off the bench.... Randle's shot might be off, but he's still a great facilitator and ball handler. Really just comes down to what version of him returns.

Homer in me tells me the worst scenario is we have a good run but Randle needs surgery but ends up being piece we need to win a title next year

My feeling is that Randle is on his way out. If we are assuming that OG joining CAA is an indicator that he will re-sign with the Knicks. Does Randle leaving CAA give the opposite? Randle/Bogs would appear to be the salary package in any trade for a top 20 player, no?

Interesting thought - if he believes he’s on the way out is it in his best interest to sit out 1) doesn’t risk injury 2) rather than be a potential scapegoat he is viewed as missing piece because he was hurt and we fall short

is it you all's first day here? Randle is not going anywhere... skinny saying PF is an area we can upgrade. Really? There's a 25/10/5 2x AS in his prime and is a proven fit here. Cmon guys... Randle is getting extended next season. They are locking these 3 up

100% Randle isn’t going anywhere, when this team is healthy they complement each other so well. A healthy OG is the ultimate glue . Add a DPOY candidate in Mitch and a 2 time all star in Randle who is playing great prior to injury.

You could argue a Knicks healthy rotation is the best in the east and The Knicks when healthy have a legitimate chance of winning the title.

I’ve been a born and raised Knick fan that lived through the Ewing years. I don’t even think it’s debatable, this is the best roster of my lifetime of watching knick basketball.
I don’t even think it’s debatable, if Ewing had this roster he’d be a champion.

A healthy focused Randle is going to make us very hard to beat. A big as talented as Randle is only going to be moved for another equally or more talented big if that opportunity comes about, I expect our guys in the front office to act accordingly. With that said there’s not that many bigs better than Randle.

I think the only way they move Randle is like in an all-in trade for Giannis, if that is ever a possiblity.

That is logical and to Milwaukee as well. Money aside, Randle and two picks gives them an allstar forward in return. Ok, three picks!!! LOL
At some point they likley do it. My guess is when he extended perhaps there is an understanding that it benefits both to do a trade. Giannis is not stuck in a rebuild until he retires, and Bucks reboot the roster. They bent over backwards to give him what he wants.
Thing is, they did not bring in Rivers for one year did they? I thing at least two? He want to stick for a rebuild?

Nalod wrote:

Panos wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fishmike wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:Mitch is coming off the bench.... Randle's shot might be off, but he's still a great facilitator and ball handler. Really just comes down to what version of him returns.

Homer in me tells me the worst scenario is we have a good run but Randle needs surgery but ends up being piece we need to win a title next year

My feeling is that Randle is on his way out. If we are assuming that OG joining CAA is an indicator that he will re-sign with the Knicks. Does Randle leaving CAA give the opposite? Randle/Bogs would appear to be the salary package in any trade for a top 20 player, no?

Interesting thought - if he believes he’s on the way out is it in his best interest to sit out 1) doesn’t risk injury 2) rather than be a potential scapegoat he is viewed as missing piece because he was hurt and we fall short

is it you all's first day here? Randle is not going anywhere... skinny saying PF is an area we can upgrade. Really? There's a 25/10/5 2x AS in his prime and is a proven fit here. Cmon guys... Randle is getting extended next season. They are locking these 3 up

100% Randle isn’t going anywhere, when this team is healthy they complement each other so well. A healthy OG is the ultimate glue . Add a DPOY candidate in Mitch and a 2 time all star in Randle who is playing great prior to injury.

You could argue a Knicks healthy rotation is the best in the east and The Knicks when healthy have a legitimate chance of winning the title.

I’ve been a born and raised Knick fan that lived through the Ewing years. I don’t even think it’s debatable, this is the best roster of my lifetime of watching knick basketball.
I don’t even think it’s debatable, if Ewing had this roster he’d be a champion.

A healthy focused Randle is going to make us very hard to beat. A big as talented as Randle is only going to be moved for another equally or more talented big if that opportunity comes about, I expect our guys in the front office to act accordingly. With that said there’s not that many bigs better than Randle.

I think the only way they move Randle is like in an all-in trade for Giannis, if that is ever a possiblity.

That is logical and to Milwaukee as well. Money aside, Randle and two picks gives them an allstar forward in return. Ok, three picks!!! LOL
At some point they likley do it. My guess is when he extended perhaps there is an understanding that it benefits both to do a trade. Giannis is not stuck in a rebuild until he retires, and Bucks reboot the roster. They bent over backwards to give him what he wants.
Thing is, they did not bring in Rivers for one year did they? I thing at least two? He want to stick for a rebuild?

With all due respect, I don't think anyone would give two f*@#s what Rivers wants in this scenario.

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Panos wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fishmike wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:Mitch is coming off the bench.... Randle's shot might be off, but he's still a great facilitator and ball handler. Really just comes down to what version of him returns.

Homer in me tells me the worst scenario is we have a good run but Randle needs surgery but ends up being piece we need to win a title next year

My feeling is that Randle is on his way out. If we are assuming that OG joining CAA is an indicator that he will re-sign with the Knicks. Does Randle leaving CAA give the opposite? Randle/Bogs would appear to be the salary package in any trade for a top 20 player, no?

Interesting thought - if he believes he’s on the way out is it in his best interest to sit out 1) doesn’t risk injury 2) rather than be a potential scapegoat he is viewed as missing piece because he was hurt and we fall short

is it you all's first day here? Randle is not going anywhere... skinny saying PF is an area we can upgrade. Really? There's a 25/10/5 2x AS in his prime and is a proven fit here. Cmon guys... Randle is getting extended next season. They are locking these 3 up

100% Randle isn’t going anywhere, when this team is healthy they complement each other so well. A healthy OG is the ultimate glue . Add a DPOY candidate in Mitch and a 2 time all star in Randle who is playing great prior to injury.

You could argue a Knicks healthy rotation is the best in the east and The Knicks when healthy have a legitimate chance of winning the title.

I’ve been a born and raised Knick fan that lived through the Ewing years. I don’t even think it’s debatable, this is the best roster of my lifetime of watching knick basketball.
I don’t even think it’s debatable, if Ewing had this roster he’d be a champion.

A healthy focused Randle is going to make us very hard to beat. A big as talented as Randle is only going to be moved for another equally or more talented big if that opportunity comes about, I expect our guys in the front office to act accordingly. With that said there’s not that many bigs better than Randle.

I think the only way they move Randle is like in an all-in trade for Giannis, if that is ever a possiblity.

That is logical and to Milwaukee as well. Money aside, Randle and two picks gives them an allstar forward in return. Ok, three picks!!! LOL
At some point they likley do it. My guess is when he extended perhaps there is an understanding that it benefits both to do a trade. Giannis is not stuck in a rebuild until he retires, and Bucks reboot the roster. They bent over backwards to give him what he wants.
Thing is, they did not bring in Rivers for one year did they? I thing at least two? He want to stick for a rebuild?

With all due respect, I don't think anyone would give two f*@#s what Rivers wants in this scenario.

I think the who in this sentence is Giannis not Rivers? That's the way I read it.

I was reacting to the last line...

Randle has had a great year, but do we trust him in the playoffs?

Right now watching this team shoot, defend, and play at a high IQ level, that's not something you really get from Randle. He's not a good defender, not a great shooter, and tends to make some boneheaded decisions.

And when Randle has struggled offensively in the playoffs his overall play becomes even more lackadaisical, especially defensively.

OG's high IQ defense, 3pt shooting, combined with Jhart getting more minutes and his overall game and hustle and IQ at SF. That might be a better combo for us than Randle unless he can be regular season Randle/

Dont get me wrong I want Randle back, and maybe this is the year he finally shows up in the playoffs. just saying I think Mitch and OG are actually more important.

Rookie wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I really feel like Mitch & OG are more important right now than Randle.

Randle has had a great year, but do we trust him in the playoffs?

Right now watching this team shoot, defend, and play at a high IQ level, that's not something you really get from Randle. He's not a good defender, not a great shooter, and tends to make some boneheaded decisions.

And when Randle has struggled offensively in the playoffs his overall play becomes even more lackadaisical, especially defensively.

OG's high IQ defense, 3pt shooting, combined with Jhart getting more minutes and his overall game and hustle and IQ at SF. That might be a better combo for us than Randle unless he can be regular season Randle/

Dont get me wrong I want Randle back, and maybe this is the year he finally shows up in the playoffs. just saying I think Mitch and OG are actually more important.

And yet there was that dominant win streak after the OG trade before all of the injuries. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a good lead up to a trade Randle thread

How does that not prove what I am saying? We were 17-15 with Randle before the OG trade and 15-1 with Brunson and OG after the trade.

With the addition of DDV, and now OG, and Miles emergence as a 40% 3 & D guy. This teams identity is more and more that of a high IQ, shooting and defensive team, 3 things that unfortunately Randle doesn't excel at. And in that mold OG & Mitch might just be more important for us than Randle.

nycericanguy wrote:

Rookie wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I really feel like Mitch & OG are more important right now than Randle.

Randle has had a great year, but do we trust him in the playoffs?

Right now watching this team shoot, defend, and play at a high IQ level, that's not something you really get from Randle. He's not a good defender, not a great shooter, and tends to make some boneheaded decisions.

And when Randle has struggled offensively in the playoffs his overall play becomes even more lackadaisical, especially defensively.

OG's high IQ defense, 3pt shooting, combined with Jhart getting more minutes and his overall game and hustle and IQ at SF. That might be a better combo for us than Randle unless he can be regular season Randle/

Dont get me wrong I want Randle back, and maybe this is the year he finally shows up in the playoffs. just saying I think Mitch and OG are actually more important.

And yet there was that dominant win streak after the OG trade before all of the injuries. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a good lead up to a trade Randle thread

How does that not prove what I am saying? We were 17-15 with Randle before the OG trade and 15-1 with Brunson and OG after the trade.

With the addition of DDV, and now OG, and Miles emergence as a 40% 3 & D guy. This teams identity is more and more that of a high IQ, shooting and defensive team, 3 things that unfortunately Randle doesn't excel at. And in that mold OG & Mitch might just be more important for us than Randle.

I don't follow your logic. He is your 2nd best player, yes you trust him in the playoffs. He is part of the winning formula. Saying Randle, who averages 24 pts and 9 Reb is less important to winning than Mitch or OG defies logic. We were literally dominating everyone with OG and Randle.

nycericanguy wrote:

Rookie wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I really feel like Mitch & OG are more important right now than Randle.

Randle has had a great year, but do we trust him in the playoffs?

Right now watching this team shoot, defend, and play at a high IQ level, that's not something you really get from Randle. He's not a good defender, not a great shooter, and tends to make some boneheaded decisions.

And when Randle has struggled offensively in the playoffs his overall play becomes even more lackadaisical, especially defensively.

OG's high IQ defense, 3pt shooting, combined with Jhart getting more minutes and his overall game and hustle and IQ at SF. That might be a better combo for us than Randle unless he can be regular season Randle/

Dont get me wrong I want Randle back, and maybe this is the year he finally shows up in the playoffs. just saying I think Mitch and OG are actually more important.

And yet there was that dominant win streak after the OG trade before all of the injuries. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a good lead up to a trade Randle thread

How does that not prove what I am saying? We were 17-15 with Randle before the OG trade and 15-1 with Brunson and OG after the trade.

With the addition of DDV, and now OG, and Miles emergence as a 40% 3 & D guy. This teams identity is more and more that of a high IQ, shooting and defensive team, 3 things that unfortunately Randle doesn't excel at. And in that mold OG & Mitch might just be more important for us than Randle.

As I mentioned in a previous post, RJ cramped the spacing for everyone.

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I really feel like Mitch & OG are more important right now than Randle.

Randle has had a great year, but do we trust him in the playoffs?

Right now watching this team shoot, defend, and play at a high IQ level, that's not something you really get from Randle. He's not a good defender, not a great shooter, and tends to make some boneheaded decisions.

And when Randle has struggled offensively in the playoffs his overall play becomes even more lackadaisical, especially defensively.

OG's high IQ defense, 3pt shooting, combined with Jhart getting more minutes and his overall game and hustle and IQ at SF. That might be a better combo for us than Randle unless he can be regular season Randle/

Dont get me wrong I want Randle back, and maybe this is the year he finally shows up in the playoffs. just saying I think Mitch and OG are actually more important.

The Knicks' offense is predicated on a couple of things but is foundation-ally a spread and attack offense. The 2 main cogs of the attach parts are Brunson and Randle. Other guys do the attach parts by movement and cutting and setting screens (and those are to HELP Brunson and Randle and are more by-products) but Brunson and Randle can do the attack parts all by themselves AND they both are heavy focuses of defenses the way the other guys are not.

Randle is key and a main cog to making things work beyond Brunson.

Randle's struggles offensively during previous playoffs were a function him literally being the only offensive guy a team needed to pay attention to (Taj, RJ, Bullocks, Payton/Rose/IQ) and then the fact that he was hurt. He stats are literally bad data and you keep trying to play it off as a gold mine of information; that is your (repeated) mistake.

It's more than that, lots of guys play hurt and lots of stars have no issues scoring even when defenses collapse on them. I mean Brunson is good no matter what.

Randle has gotten flustered by defenses, to the point where he had to start meditating to try to calm down. He's gone through stretches where he throws tantrums on the court and simply doesnt get back on defense. Lets not act like none of that has happened. So yea until he proves he can do it, he's a question mark for me.

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I really feel like Mitch & OG are more important right now than Randle.

Randle has had a great year, but do we trust him in the playoffs?

Right now watching this team shoot, defend, and play at a high IQ level, that's not something you really get from Randle. He's not a good defender, not a great shooter, and tends to make some boneheaded decisions.

And when Randle has struggled offensively in the playoffs his overall play becomes even more lackadaisical, especially defensively.

OG's high IQ defense, 3pt shooting, combined with Jhart getting more minutes and his overall game and hustle and IQ at SF. That might be a better combo for us than Randle unless he can be regular season Randle/

Dont get me wrong I want Randle back, and maybe this is the year he finally shows up in the playoffs. just saying I think Mitch and OG are actually more important.

The Knicks' offense is predicated on a couple of things but is foundation-ally a spread and attack offense. The 2 main cogs of the attach parts are Brunson and Randle. Other guys do the attach parts by movement and cutting and setting screens (and those are to HELP Brunson and Randle and are more by-products) but Brunson and Randle can do the attack parts all by themselves AND they both are heavy focuses of defenses the way the other guys are not.

Randle is key and a main cog to making things work beyond Brunson.

Randle's struggles offensively during previous playoffs were a function him literally being the only offensive guy a team needed to pay attention to (Taj, RJ, Bullocks, Payton/Rose/IQ) and then the fact that he was hurt. He stats are literally bad data and you keep trying to play it off as a gold mine of information; that is your (repeated) mistake.

It's more than that, lots of guys play hurt and lots of stars have no issues scoring even when defenses collapse on them. I mean Brunson is good no matter what.

Randle has gotten flustered by defenses, to the point where he had to start meditating to try to calm down. He's gone through stretches where he throws tantrums on the court and simply doesnt get back on defense. Lets not act like none of that has happened. So yea until he proves he can do it, he's a question mark for me.

Give me a break and open your eyes. If you think the injured Randle for last playoffs was anywhere near functional to make a sound judgement, have at it. Bro is going to try to give it up again.

If you want to set your markers as someone can't do something until they prove it to you, take the naive route all you want. It's not useful IMHO

Randle is whacky emotional, there is no doubt he has some proving to do.

so what exactly are you disagreeing with?