KnickDanger wrote:

martin wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

smackeddog wrote:DM is the better player, Mikal is the better fit. If you got DM, I think you'd have to get rid of Randle, as there wouldn't be enough ball to go round, whereas if you got Mikal, I think you could keep him (unless you had to give him up in the trade.

I actually think we'll end up trading for KAT, though (remember Woj said after the OG trade the Knicks would like target a big name player who their team has to get rid of because of the salary cap)

I think KAT is the piece we need most. In a trade he doesn't come cheap, a resigned Hartenstein and Randle plus picks and filler I'd imagine.

That’s an insane trade IMHO

It does involve trading Randle.

Yeah but it’s an even year so, you know

KnickDanger wrote:Is this Starphuck lite? Just my opinion but I just can't see it being worth the expenditure of assets and $ for Mitchell. Yes great player and you would love to have him, but the idea that he's the guy to facilitate when Brunson is off the court (all 10 minutes of it) doesn't fly for me. And when they do play together - most of the game - as pointed out many times that is a small backcourt not particularly strong defensively. Would a Thibs team or even a Knicks team be smart to play at winning via shoot outs? I don't know, I've certainly been wrong before, with Brunson for starters.

Bridges does make more sense but again at what cost? Who do we lose to make that move? Just draft picks? Whose place does he take? JHart, DDV? He comes as a back up or one of those guys becomes one? And then there's the cap...Not saying it couldn't happen or that it wouldn't be good, just that it isn't simple.

I would view the DM addition differently, although there is no doubt the literal logistics of what you said about facilitating are spot on.

I’d view the addition more in terms of having another top flight guy who can take over quarters or games or runs of games or an entire month as Brunson and Randle and Donovan have all done before. And not just racking up points, but racking up points at critical times when the rest of the teams is struggling for whatever reason, and not just struggling shooting but maybe if a key player is down with injury.

I think an addition of DM really elevates that dynamic A LOT while not dropping the dense too much with a small backcourt. I’m not sure Mikal fills that particular slice of necessity the way Donovan can. Mikal does fit in a better way than Donovan positionally IMHO

Mikal elevates the floor of the team while Donovan elevates the ceiling IMHO and the ceiling is better value in a vacuum.

Nalod wrote:In a vacuum I need to know at what cost either comes at.
WE lose something to make a luxurious addition.
Did our “January roster” healthy actually have enough firepower to contend as it was? Perhaps.
Getting Bogs and Burkes made us deeper. Jury still out on that trade but lets just say Grimes is not prime time for playoffs just yet.
Does Leon keep making small adds to imporove or the aforementioned “Starphuch”?
Not like our picks are lined up to be great but Nets do have picks coming! Bridges could be fine building around him and getting a max or near contract for his trouble. Im sure we’d love it if he asked out and obviously needed to consider his future pay vs. staying.
Clev would want ready talent in return given their stature?
Someone is going to want DDV and that contract!!!!

Im intrigued by adding either player but

We need to backtrack and discuss what “in a vacuum” means? Cause that’s not the ask

Nalod wrote:In a vacuum I need to know at what cost either comes at.
WE lose something to make a luxurious addition.
Did our “January roster” healthy actually have enough firepower to contend as it was? Perhaps.
Getting Bogs and Burkes made us deeper. Jury still out on that trade but lets just say Grimes is not prime time for playoffs just yet.
Does Leon keep making small adds to imporove or the aforementioned “Starphuch”?
Not like our picks are lined up to be great but Nets do have picks coming! Bridges could be fine building around him and getting a max or near contract for his trouble. Im sure we’d love it if he asked out and obviously needed to consider his future pay vs. staying.
Clev would want ready talent in return given their stature?
Someone is going to want DDV and that contract!!!!

Im intrigued by adding either player but

This is Brooklyn's future drafts: https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team

In a nutshell, Houston owns their future picks.

2024 - To HOU

2025 - Own or HOU (via HOU swap for BRK) if HOU 1-10 or if HOU 11-30 less favorable than LAC; or least favorable of BRK, HOU 11-30 and OKC; and more favorable of (i) BRK and (ii) less favorable of HOU 11-30 and OKC to HOU if HOU 11-30 more favorable than LAC (via OKC swap for HOU 11-30 or LAC; via HOU swap of HOU or OKC for BRK); PHX

2026 - To HOU

2027 - Own or HOU (via HOU swap for BRK); PHL 9-30 if PHL conveys 1st round pick to OKC in 2025; PHX

2028 - Two most / more favorable of BRK, PHL 9-30 if not already settled and if PHL has conveyed 1st round pick to OKC by 2026, and PHX; more favorable of (i) WAS and (ii) least / less favorable of BRK, PHL 9-30 if conveyed to BRK, and PHX to WAS then other to PHX (via BRK swap of BRK or PHL for PHX; via WAS swap for PHX, BRK or PHL)

2029 - Own; DAL; PHX

2030 - Own

Nalod wrote:Vacuum sucks

+1

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:DM... seems to be alot of smoke there and he's just flat out a better player. Stars win and while Mikal might fit better he's simply not better than DM.

we also badly need another playmaker.

The biggest 2 qualities the Knicks are needing: another playmaker and end of game go-to guy (who will also get calls). DM solves both of those in a way Mikal I don't think can do.

this is why it's DM and it's not close

Mikal is super duper as a complementary player. We need go-to alpha (Sorry can't rely on Julius for that; and all teams know that) Brunson is great but teams will focus on him and wear him down

That said, you can't imagine Mikal being a go to clutch guy the way you can DM