DLeethal wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I think at least for the time being Grimes’ performance shows just how big a part of the game mentality is. He showed flashes, has the tools - as did Frank and Knox to a lesser extent - but seems to have caved in to regression for whatever reasons. Sad to say really and I hope for all those guys.

Lots of young players flash big stuff early and then fizzle out for whatever reason. Shump was another one who looked like a potential star in the making in his early days.

its the weight of expectations and being able to catch defenses off guard a bit, I think Grimes came in with little to no expectations but as the expectations grew he got worse.

Shumps highest scoring season was his rookie season.

Grimes was starting to remind me more and more of Dotson.

but all that being said, we might as well have kept him. Trading him and 2 seconds for another Fournier just seems like wasting assets.

IMO we are asking too much of DDV, I'm not convinced he's a starter. he's undersized and streaky, probably best suited for 24-26mpg off the bench. He's really wearing down now playing starter minutes.

nycericanguy wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I think at least for the time being Grimes’ performance shows just how big a part of the game mentality is. He showed flashes, has the tools - as did Frank and Knox to a lesser extent - but seems to have caved in to regression for whatever reasons. Sad to say really and I hope for all those guys.

Lots of young players flash big stuff early and then fizzle out for whatever reason. Shump was another one who looked like a potential star in the making in his early days.

its the weight of expectations and being able to catch defenses off guard a bit, I think Grimes came in with little to no expectations but as the expectations grew he got worse.

Shumps highest scoring season was his rookie season.

Grimes was starting to remind me more and more of Dotson.

but all that being said, we might as well have kept him. Trading him and 2 seconds for another Fournier just seems like wasting assets.

IMO we are asking too much of DDV, I'm not convinced he's a starter. he's undersized and streaky, probably best suited for 24-26mpg off the bench. He's really wearing down now playing starter minutes.

Yea I also think early years for young players everything is still such a wild card. First round picks usually get unearned minutes in their first couple seasons which can lead them to having big games and stuff like that. Fans latch onto "flashes" trying to project what kind of player they can be. In the NBA anyone can put up stats on bad teams, so it takes time to judge a players impact. As time goes on they are no longer the darling 1st rounder and coach might make decisions more focused on winning vs the rookie's development and those players get de-prioritized and it turns out they were never that good at all.

KnickDanger wrote:Well for one day...

Notwithstanding Grimes doing nothing for the Pistons - so far - If Bogs and Burks contribute to a few wins then perhaps it was an adult trade.

Honestly last night shows the bar these guys need to cross to made a big impact is pretty low. Just shoot a reasonable percentage and make some momentous buckets. The bench unit does not need them to do that much to help in a big way. Let's hope last night was the start of something sustainable for these guys.

DLeethal wrote:Bogie earned his stripes in 2 playoff games

Very possible we're down 0-2 without the trade, assuming Grimes misses the series or plays at the same level he had been.

MaTT4281 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Bogie earned his stripes in 2 playoff games

Very possible we're down 0-2 without the trade, assuming Grimes misses the series or plays at the same level he had been.

Regardless if Grimes was healthy or not - he would not be getting minutes over Hart, DDV, Brunson, McBride.