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Nalod
Posts: 68748 Alba Posts: 154 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
3/6/2024 8:43 AM LAST EDITED: 3/6/2024 8:49 AM
A fan favorite. A locker room favorite. Objectivity needed. Maybe "Reality Bites"?
Mitch as a trade chip is an interesting subject discussed many times given Isiah Harts good play this season. His injuries are a concern and he has to play extended minutes healthy. Last season was great but he has a history and has missed lot of games. Look at his minutes per game each season: His contract DECLINES.......https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/mitchell-robinson-27002/#:~:text=Mitchell%20Robinson%20signed%20a%204,dead%20cap%20value%20of%20%2415%2C681%2C818. 17>15>14>12,900,000 his last year. two more after this. I'd think we try to keep IHart and Mitch becomes back up? His minutes and injury history dictate as might his does his salary. I know he was all kinds of Allstar talk by fans last season and he was again "breaking out" this season but its time to have that decision and realize his trade value might not be so great. Im not saying he has to go but we saw a glimpse of what could be in January and iHarts passing to me makes him more valuable. I'd hope Isiah has one more rung in his offensive game to climb. Not a big one mind you. We know he has some range hidden and his hands are pretty solid catching the ball in traffic. the fan in me wants to keep both. Mitch trade value is likely not what most of us would like to think as his minutes, injuries, and foul issues (much improved) all are considered. Mitch as a backup could work. Draft a big kid for third string? Sims really is ok for a low salary but his age dictates he might be who he is as a player. Im ok with him buried on the bench and used as we are using him. For this team to improve tough decisions have been made (IQ and RJ traded) and others will also. I like our guys but FO makes the calls and I trust they will get it done in the teams best interests. Nothing is ever guaranteed except hindsight. |
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martin
Posts: 68921 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
3/6/2024 2:58 PM LAST EDITED: 3/6/2024 2:59 PM
Donovan and Siakam are nowhere near the same player but they both second tier all stars?
In a nutshell, Toronto got 3 ****ty firsts (Indy this year, crappier pick of LAC/OKC for this year, and Indy top 4 protected in 2026) and contract filler. Utah got Sexton, Markkanen, Agbaji and 3 firsts and 2 swaps, all unprotected. Cleveland have now put themselves 1 step closer to Siakam territory and a step further away from the leverage Utah had in trading away Donovan. The price is dropping.
https://www.nba.com/news/donovan-mitchell-traded-to-cavs Cavaliers receive: Donovan Mitchell Jazz receive: Collin Sexton Cleveland sent guard Collin Sexton, forward Lauri Markkanen and rookie guard Ochai Agbaji to Utah along with unprotected first-round draft picks in 2025, 2027 and 2029. The teams will also swap their first-round drafting rights in 2026 and 2028. When Toronto traded Siakam, they got: https://www.nba.com/news/raptors-pacers-pascal-siakam-trade Raptors receive: Bruce Brown (via Pacers) Pacers receive: Pascal Siakam (via Raptors) Per Wojnarowski, the 2024 picks Toronto receives includes Indiana’s own as well as the worst of Utah’s, Houston’s, Oklahoma City’s and the LA Clippers’. The 2026 pick sent to the Raptors will be the Pacers’ pick but is protected from Nos. 1-4, per Shams Charania of The Athletic. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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EwingsGlass
Posts: 26149 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 4/29/2005 Member: #893 USA |
3/6/2024 4:02 PM
martin wrote:Donovan and Siakam are nowhere near the same player but they both second tier all stars? I have Mitchell over Siakam in an open market but a relatively large margin. I thought the Siakam trade actually made Indiana worse. I don't think he is the right player for that team. As for Mitchell, he lacks positional size at SG, but otherwise gets high ratings in near all categories. His enormous wingspan makes up for positional size, but I could see a situation where he would prefer to lineup at PG. Prior to Brunson, I desperately wanted Spida as PG because his PG stats on offense and defense used to be much better in Utah, I don't think that has been relevant since the Cleveland trade. I see Brooklyn as the better fit for him though I think Cleveland would have to take back Simmons. If it became a possibility, I think you grab Spida and sort it out after. It does seem like the kind of move now that could put us over the top. This is the Randle.
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Nalod
Posts: 68748 Alba Posts: 154 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
3/6/2024 4:07 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:Donovan and Siakam are nowhere near the same player but they both second tier all stars? Puts us over the top all things the same. |
EwingsGlass
Posts: 26149 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 4/29/2005 Member: #893 USA |
3/6/2024 5:42 PM
Nalod wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:Donovan and Siakam are nowhere near the same player but they both second tier all stars? Spida would need to put Cleveland in a position of losing him for nothing. We could bluff that we would clear enough cap space to sign him outright and could do that if OG opted out, but my number one offseason plan is keeping OG. There really isn't a bad contract left on our roster at this point. So, capology is at its all time high. We want to preserve being over the cap while being able to threaten to go under the cap. 30mm Randle Without disrespect to any current player, if the office wanted to clear space to sign Mitchell outright, I don't think there is any contract here that can't be moved if needed. Some may be deemed "untouchable", but if you wanted to trade Bogs for a trade exception, I bet you could. I think Mitchell Robinson could get picks. McBride would likely get a pick. They could clear as much as needed without too much trouble and without giving up OG. So, if I am Cleveland watching this, I mean, shouldn't they come to the table and say - Give me Bogs, Mitch and McBride with some picks? And then we negotiate. The Knicks could turn around and make separate trades for each of these players, gather additional picks, have OG opt in and sign Donovan Mitchell at a contract starting at 34-36mm. You have no center, but these are little problems. It is better if the Knicks work with Cleveland, but they have the flexibility to make more aggressive moves. And with that flexibility comes leverage. This is the Randle.
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