MS wrote:Nothing wrong with wanting Thibs to reduce minutes.

Hart is averaging 43 minutes over the past 7 games. Against the warriors no one on GS played more than 32 minutes Josh Hart played 47. That game wasn’t close, when games are over you get your guys rest, especially this season.

Tonight was a great win and a gritty performance, has to be a way to stagger the guys a bit going forward.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. You're 100% right. I just think right now circumstances are preventing that from happening and the numbers we see aren't what they would be if this team was in a normal situation and knee jerk reactions to playing time when literally 25% of your team and 33% (not counting Brunson) of your normal rotation are hurt and another guy is kinda on a minutes restriction.

joec32033 wrote:

MS wrote:Nothing wrong with wanting Thibs to reduce minutes.

Hart is averaging 43 minutes over the past 7 games. Against the warriors no one on GS played more than 32 minutes Josh Hart played 47. That game wasn’t close, when games are over you get your guys rest, especially this season.

Tonight was a great win and a gritty performance, has to be a way to stagger the guys a bit going forward.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. You're 100% right. I just think right now circumstances are preventing that from happening and the numbers we see aren't what they would be if this team was in a normal situation and knee jerk reactions to playing time when literally 25% of your team and 33% (not counting Brunson) of your normal rotation are hurt and another guy is kinda on a minutes restriction.

Thats why its a good idea not to keep players in the game well past the point where they're needed to secure a win. Save it for when the extra minutes are really needed, like now.

Ive never seen a coach who trusts his bench less than Thibs. If Thibs had the hardware to back up that strategy, I doubt it would be written about, discussed as much as it has over the years.

Its the polar opposite of how Pops has done it, before the league cracked down. With Thibs, any pressure would have to come from the FO, but Thibs coaches like he has a blank check.

joec32033 wrote:

MS wrote:Nothing wrong with wanting Thibs to reduce minutes.

Hart is averaging 43 minutes over the past 7 games. Against the warriors no one on GS played more than 32 minutes Josh Hart played 47. That game wasn’t close, when games are over you get your guys rest, especially this season.

Tonight was a great win and a gritty performance, has to be a way to stagger the guys a bit going forward.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. You're 100% right. I just think right now circumstances are preventing that from happening and the numbers we see aren't what they would be if this team was in a normal situation and knee jerk reactions to playing time when literally 25% of your team and 33% (not counting Brunson) of your normal rotation are hurt and another guy is kinda on a minutes restriction.

If Randle and OG play 36 minutes each and MR 25, that's 40% of the minutes per game. It's kind of weird to say Thibs doesn't trust the bench when all the guys playing are coming off the bench if the Knicks are healthy.

I think there's a big misunderstanding about injuries. Injuries aren't a freak occurrence but a natural part of the game when you have guys playing in the NBA. Manu averaged 66 games per season on 25 minutes a game. The NBA recently released a report on load management that was pretty skeptical about it working. Injuries are gonna happen and teams just have to hope they get lucky and avoid them in the playoffs.

Clean wrote:On another note, McBride might be a better player than Grimes. Coming into this year I would have never thought that. He has flaws but the growth this year has been awesome to see.

KnickDanger wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:this thibs talk is crazy, any coach is going to have to play guys big minutes if you're missing 3-4 starters every night. As for last night, probably best W of the season. we needed that game.

I wonder if there would have been criticism if Thibs put say JHart and Deuce on minutes restrictions and we lost the game. I’m not saying Thibs should be free from criticism, but the nature of so much of it is…how do you say it? Cockamamie. Brunson, Randle, OG, Mitch are not out because of minutes played, but due to physical impact. It sucks, I know some people really need a scapegoat to biotch about, but perhaps be real about it.

the funny thing is Thibs would never get credit for us having been one of the healthiest teams in the league the previous 2+ seasons.

It only goes one way with him. The reality is Mitch has always been injury prone even playing just 24-26mpg. OG has always been injury prone as well.

Randle is really what has hurt us, but he's nearing 30 and unfortunately the injuries are getting more common now.

gradyandrew wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

Clean wrote:On another note, McBride might be a better player than Grimes. Coming into this year I would have never thought that. He has flaws but the growth this year has been awesome to see.

I was thinking about the keep Grimes or Deuce thread (I think it was) - pretty sure I would have said Grimes if I had to choose. Both should/could have plenty of career ahead of them, but for the time being Miles shows fire and progress that Grimey doesn’t seem to possess.

Deuce has gone from 30% on 3's to 40%. I don't think anyone ever saw that coming, except NYKmentality! Just kidding- it was Tom Thibodeau.

Anyone who watched him in college saw it. He just needed to adjust to nba speed and the nba 3 pt line. And we knew with his defense, Thibs would find PT for him. It was only a matter of time. Glad he made it. If he was cut too early Im not sure he would’ve had an NBA career. Just a G Leaguer.

blkexec wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

Clean wrote:On another note, McBride might be a better player than Grimes. Coming into this year I would have never thought that. He has flaws but the growth this year has been awesome to see.

I was thinking about the keep Grimes or Deuce thread (I think it was) - pretty sure I would have said Grimes if I had to choose. Both should/could have plenty of career ahead of them, but for the time being Miles shows fire and progress that Grimey doesn’t seem to possess.

Deuce has gone from 30% on 3's to 40%. I don't think anyone ever saw that coming, except NYKmentality! Just kidding- it was Tom Thibodeau.

Anyone who watched him in college saw it. He just needed to adjust to nba speed and the nba 3 pt line. And we knew with his defense, Thibs would find PT for him. It was only a matter of time. Glad he made it. If he was cut too early Im not sure he would’ve had an NBA career. Just a G Leaguer.

Good take. When he started to tear up the G-League Last year (year 2) he was starting to get it. as said, his defense got him drafted and on the bench in the NBA. Baling in the gleague then not in the big show demonstrated the gap. He could do it but vs. bigger and faster competition. Some of us here call that "needed confidence". Thats always part of it but we know the gap is larger than one would imagine. Its why he was taken in the 2nd round. It was said by that coach if he stayed he'd have elevated to 1st round but it was decided he'd learn instead on the bench.
Perhaps this too was discussed in his interview with knicks predraft as to what they thought of him, this potential and the path. If so perhaps this was something he'd have to agree to. You want a team to commit via a draft pick and give time. A free agent if not drafted can not always go to plan.

Lets look at Alonzo trier. Undrafted and it was clear he had NBA talent. He got a two year deal and it all as going great until Thibs was hired.
Trier never got another chance in the NBA. Big mystery.

The way some posters describe Thibs being up there with elite coaches who Thibs cant touch in the playoffs. No chips in 15 years, No EC championships, no ECF since his only visit in 2010. I'm not getting the vigorous defense of a coach who has never made waves in the playoffs, beyond his rookie season as head coach.

So when posters (right or wrong) criticize Thibs, I dont get the indignation. Larry Brown is the coach you're describing not Thibs. He coached up players to the Finals, to championships. Not just coach of the year awards.

gradyandrew wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

Clean wrote:On another note, McBride might be a better player than Grimes. Coming into this year I would have never thought that. He has flaws but the growth this year has been awesome to see.

I was thinking about the keep Grimes or Deuce thread (I think it was) - pretty sure I would have said Grimes if I had to choose. Both should/could have plenty of career ahead of them, but for the time being Miles shows fire and progress that Grimey doesn’t seem to possess.

Deuce has gone from 30% on 3's to 40%. I don't think anyone ever saw that coming, except NYKmentality! Just kidding- it was Tom Thibodeau.

A lot of people saw that coming. He's been a good shooter at every level his whole life, was adjusting to the league, and getting extremely inconsistent minutes. The fans that thought he wouldn't starting making wide open 3s with a role are the ones that really make me scratch my head