But grimes is the reason he’s not here. Grimes was not happy with the role he was given. Leon took a chance to flip that asset into two vets who are not locker room cancers and will play and accept any role they get. Plus they can spread the floor and create their own shot. Two playoff ready additions.

We need grimes when he’s a vet. Right now he wants to have a bigger role than what we provided. Grimes leaving also increased DDV contract value. And it gave DDV more responsibility as a solid 2 guard.

Bogs is interesting. That 6/6 night from 3 gave me pause. But then he missed a bunch of wide open looks vs the Celts. I think his defense is gonna get him benched by the playoffs.

I think our second unit needs another big man back. With MitchBeast or iHart patrolling the paint, Bogs defensive deficiencies will be less noticeable. Both Burks and Bogs will benefit from either Robinson or Hartenstein in the paint. Robinson's gravity in the paint will be helpful to both of them.

DLeethal wrote:The thing about Bogs is that no one can do what he does off the bench for us. He can create shots, snipe from 3, get you buckets late in the shot clock. In terms of Burks, it seems fair to say in a limited role that Deuce can go out there and produce as much offense as Burks can in a limited time frame. Deuce can get shots up and he's pretty efficient, and then brings next level intensity on defense. But its nearly impossible to play Bogs/Precious/Mitch off the bench. So somethings gonna have to give eventually.

They cant play together because there isnt a single legit playmaker out of all the names you mentioned. We need a veteran playmaker off the bench who can get these players the ball where they like it. We made up for the loss IQ's scoring, (6th man of the year nominee) but not his playmaking.

Deuce is going to have to pick things up as a playmaker. Burks will be traded if Thibs keeps playing him at PG. I know it was a while ago, but what got everyone's attention when he first got here was when he was playing off the ball. Seems like a waste of talent, to make him a PG.

franco12 wrote:Burks looks finished. I keep seeing him get absolutely stuffed on jump shots.

You might be right. Or its a case of Burks not used to the physical demands of playing on a team, that expects him to be a two way player.. again. They werent playing D in Detroit. Grimes will help.

Might be as simple as Burks not being in good enough shape yet. Thats what we'll find out in the next few weeks.

GustavBahler wrote:

franco12 wrote:Burks looks finished. I keep seeing him get absolutely stuffed on jump shots.

You might be right. Or its a case of Burks not used to the physical demands of playing on a team, that expects him to be a two way player.. again. They werent playing D in Detroit. Grimes will help.

Might be as simple as Burks not being in good enough shape yet. Thats what we'll find out in the next few weeks.

It's all of that and he's playing out of position (again).

DLeethal wrote:The thing about Bogs is that no one can do what he does off the bench for us. He can create shots, snipe from 3, get you buckets late in the shot clock. In terms of Burks, it seems fair to say in a limited role that Deuce can go out there and produce as much offense as Burks can in a limited time frame. Deuce can get shots up and he's pretty efficient, and then brings next level intensity on defense. But its nearly impossible to play Bogs/Precious/Mitch off the bench. So somethings gonna have to give eventually.

only because we traded IQ.

Ultimately we gutted our youth for OG and had to trade Grimes too.

Rookie wrote:I’m not feeling great about this trade. I get kicking Frank and Knox down the road but Grimes just feels different. I think he is just a late bloomer.

Grimes might tbe a late bloomer. But we're in "win now" mode. Thats what these trades make clear.

GustavBahler wrote:

Rookie wrote:I’m not feeling great about this trade. I get kicking Frank and Knox down the road but Grimes just feels different. I think he is just a late bloomer.

Grimes might tbe a late bloomer. But we're in "win now" mode. Thats what these trades make clear.

Thibs is always in win now mode. Sometimes it takes a grown up in the room to make the big picture decisions