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martin
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2/23/2024 12:30 PM
Philly tanked forever. They haven't made it past the second round. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/
They own their pick this year and then owe a pick to OKC. I can't even tell which future first round pick they have. https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team They are left with a broke Embiid, Maxey, and cap space. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHI.html Road very well traveled. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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BigDaddyG
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2/23/2024 1:12 PM
martin wrote:Philly tanked forever. They haven't made it past the second round. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/ I wouldn't call it a failure. They've been in the title contention conversation for the past few years. I think it speaks to how much luck plays a part. They were able to snatch one true Franchise player out of all those lottery picks. Then they get lucky with Maxey in the 20s. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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Rookie
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2/23/2024 1:22 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Philly tanked forever. They haven't made it past the second round. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/ Word. Look at our draft history in the lottery. If you're going to tank, you have to tank hard enough for the no. 1 pick |
Nalod
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2/23/2024 1:25 PM
Rookie wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Philly tanked forever. They haven't made it past the second round. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/ even then its a risk that does not work. Simmons, Fultz? They got cute at times. Some years are worth it. |
Knixkik
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2/23/2024 2:19 PM
martin wrote:Philly tanked forever. They haven't made it past the second round. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/ It’s a failure considering the picks they drafted at. Neither of their #1 picks became building blocks. Their only real building blocks were a #3 pick and #21. It’s pretty bare bones there under the circumstances. Overall they are a good team though. So in the end it ended with a mixed outcome. |
martin
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2/23/2024 2:37 PM
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Philly tanked forever. They haven't made it past the second round. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/ I feel that that is way too generous. Philly decided to tank for 4 straight seasons. They drafted Rookie of the Year Michael Carter-Williams at #10 in 2013. They had 2 #1 picks, 2 #3 picks. Mikal Bridges at #10 the following year. Maxey at #21 2 years after Mikal. Drafted OK4 at #3 instead of KP while having Embiid on roster. Tatum for Fultz. Only first round matches won. Zero second round playoffs won. That's failure IMHO Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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KnickDanger
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2/23/2024 4:34 PM
Side note - is it better to be a 76ers or Knicks fan at the present time?
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franco12
Posts: 33211 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
2/25/2024 7:21 AM
Hinkie was, I think, right in his thinking.
In the NBA, the team that has the best player in the league usually wins the Championship. I don’t remember if this article is one I read years back, but it captures I think what he was after: https://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/10/21/sixers-rebuild-sam-hinkie/ The first premise one has to accept to really support what the Sixers are doing is that the NBA is a league built around superstars. This is also the easiest argument to make. |
martin
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2/25/2024 1:28 PM
For me, Hinkie was limited in his thinking. Having a very very good player on your roster is one amongst many steps you need to take to build a contender.
He got fired early, rightfully so. Running an organization is bigger than just tanking, and that’s all he had. franco12 wrote:Hinkie was, I think, right in his thinking. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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EwingsGlass
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2/25/2024 3:40 PM
martin wrote:Philly tanked forever. They haven't made it past the second round. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/ One teams failure may just be a failure to commit. They absolutely gave up on the process perhaps prematurely. They also made some bad decisions in the process. I don’t know what you want to call OKCs approach to the rebuild, but they took their lumps. Swallowed other teams contracts and now have a top 5 player, a stash of developing young players, the most draft picks and plenty of cap space. If there was a model for how to run an NBA franchise from losing all of its franchise players to trade demands to building it up again in under 10 years… it OKC. This is the Randle.
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martin
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2/25/2024 3:57 PM LAST EDITED: 2/25/2024 3:58 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:Philly tanked forever. They haven't made it past the second round. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/ Knicks just built theirs in the same timeframe. While focusing on winning instead of losing. They may also have a top 5 player as well as 2 all-defensive players, and 1 2-time all nba player on their team. Knicks will most likely have a total of 3 playoff appearances and 1 second round appearance to their tally by this offseason while OKC is working on their first. They seem to be a model of some sort. Philly failed hard Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Knixkik
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2/26/2024 7:33 AM LAST EDITED: 2/26/2024 7:36 AM
martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:Philly tanked forever. They haven't made it past the second round. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/ Obviously okc landed SGA in a major rebuild trade and Chet and jwill via draft as part of their rebuild, so things have gone well for them. But I really appreciate the way the Knicks as well as the pacers have rebuilt. Not bottoming out, making opportunistic trades that land a franchise player (Knicks made the trade as a precursor to signing Brunson which is the same thing to me), and establishing a culture/ identity around that player. Knicks and pacers did this without being really bad or intentionally losing. Leon Rose could have blown it up and bottomed out for 3 years and if we emerged to this level of play we would have said he did the right thing. Well we are where we are without that phase of bottoming out. So much more impressive. The biggest thing for the Knicks is determining how to take the next step without impacting what works so well. The one mistake was shaking things up to sign Fournier and Kemba, as it went away from what worked. The Knicks have an identity now and need to add to that. These rebuilds are as much about establishing an identity rather than just adding young players. The thing with Philly was their identity became this process thing which was a losing culture. To me that makes it that much harder to rebuild. |