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2/17/2024  10:51 PM
I’m not a law freak but this is just generic level stuff
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2/17/2024  11:15 PM
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/15c#:~:text=Any%20attorney%20general%20of%20a%20State%20may%20bring,of%20sections%201%20to%207%20of%20this%20title.

Can states bring a civil suit- yes.

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2/18/2024  4:21 AM
nycericanguy wrote:a DA that literally ran on "I'm gonna get him"... NYC juries for all these civil trials, is it any surprise how any of it turns out? The telling part is despite years and years of attempted prosecution for all these "crimes" he's committed, no criminal convictions. I'm not big on politics but it's a dangerous game and precedent and IDK how anyone can be blind to whats going on here. As Kevin O'learly said if you're gonna prosecute Trump for this then you better line up every other RE developer or else this is just a targeted hit job.

As a life long NYer, puerto rican, I laugh at the "racist" angle constantly being pushed. The real racism is the young rich liberals trying to push cops out of the poor, minority communities that need them most, while they go back home to their safe UES doorman buildings because they know whats best for everyone else.

Trump still faces 91 Felony charges in 4 different criminal cases. Pretty much any other candidate would have their chances sunk at being President with just one criminal charge.

As hard as you might try....being rich has no political persuasion. Regardless of party affilliation, the rich often take advantage of situations which lead to adverse impact to the middle class or poor.

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2/18/2024  6:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2024  6:18 AM
gradyandrew wrote:
martin wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
martin wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:First, the caveats:

1. Forgot where we landed on 'political talk,' if I'm overstepping the boundaries just shut it down.

2. Trump is a fraudster. Trump University was a hoax.

3. No doubt that Trump inflated the value of his properties.


BUT, my big issue is the government bringing the case in the first place. I really don't like the idea of prosecutors having the right to enter a civil contract without either of the parties to the contract bringing suit. It just seems to open the bag to way too much government interference in private life. Any legal eagles know if this is already something government does regularly or has done before?

You are against something you literally have zero background or firm understanding of what you are talking about.

Thats the basis for your (uninformed? misguided?) opinion?

I wouldn't say zero background. It was a civil, not criminally trial. That's why Hofstra's first two analogies didn't sit right with me- prostitution and speeding are criminal offenses. My question was if the state has the right to file in a civil suit. I respect your knowledge and that of others in this forum. And yes, I'm probably less informed than a lot of people here and maybe misguided. That's why I ask.

So I don’t get your take. Why come to an opinion on something before you even have much of a background on a subject?

Seems like an odd sequence of things.

I get asking questions on it, but that’s a different path.

Honestly man, I'm hoping you will explain it to me. I know you are deep in this **** and my initial take is that this is more about sinking Trump's run than the actual charges, which to me is a dangerous slope- when politicians are facing prison or dictatorship, they usually choose the latter.

So, a useful nudge in the right direction would be appreciated. Or not.

I think you are on to something.

3/17 - Hunter admits laptop
3/18 - Trump indictment news

6/8 - FBI doc alleges Biden bribe
6/9 - INDICTMENT

7/26 - Hunter plea deal collapses
7/27 - INDICTMENT

7/31 - Devon Archer testifies
8/1 - INDICTMENT

8/11 - DOJ (illegally) designates special counsel
8/14 - FBI Whistleblower transcript released
8/14 - INDICTMENT

12/13 - House authorizes Biden impeachment inquiry
12/19 - Biden family whistleblower testifies
12/19 - Colorado ballot removal

2/14 - Damning evidence proving 'Russiagate' was a hoax
2/15 - Fans Willis hearing
2/16 - Tony Bobulinski transcript on Biden family corruption released
2/16 - $354 million fine & banned from business in NY

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2/18/2024  8:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2024  8:08 AM
foosballnick wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:a DA that literally ran on "I'm gonna get him"... NYC juries for all these civil trials, is it any surprise how any of it turns out? The telling part is despite years and years of attempted prosecution for all these "crimes" he's committed, no criminal convictions. I'm not big on politics but it's a dangerous game and precedent and IDK how anyone can be blind to whats going on here. As Kevin O'learly said if you're gonna prosecute Trump for this then you better line up every other RE developer or else this is just a targeted hit job.

As a life long NYer, puerto rican, I laugh at the "racist" angle constantly being pushed. The real racism is the young rich liberals trying to push cops out of the poor, minority communities that need them most, while they go back home to their safe UES doorman buildings because they know whats best for everyone else.

Trump still faces 91 Felony charges in 4 different criminal cases. Pretty much any other candidate would have their chances sunk at being President with just one criminal charge.

As hard as you might try....being rich has no political persuasion. Regardless of party affilliation, the rich often take advantage of situations which lead to adverse impact to the middle class or poor.

May I remind Nycrican about "crooked Hilary"
Trump basically ran on putting her in jail if he were to take office.
Won and tried. Had the DOJ to do so as well.
The difference was?
Like his claims about election fraud..........?

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2/18/2024  8:40 AM
Trump did it. Trump knew he did it, his supporters knew he did it, and his haters knew he did it. The real issue is should he has been prosecuted. I personally don’t think he should have been but it is what it is. He has a real chance of being re-elected, which concerns me because if you thought he was unhinged before, wait until his second act when he will have no constraints. I am not saying everything he did was bad, but what I don’t like about him is that he has lead a movement to divide this country more than it ever has been. If Trump could change to a tone of unity, he would be decent for the country because he is somewhat of an outside the box thinker. But that will never happen and he does not have a full grasp of international politics or long-range strategic planning. The only thing he really brings is someone who is willing admit that the system is rigged. The bottomline with all of this is to keep chasing the American dream and hope these fools do not implode the country.
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2/18/2024  11:02 AM

Trump has a long trail of failures.

He is now hawlking $400 gold sneakers. Can’t make this **** up.
He has fans. They want hope. Dictators are attractive to the weak minded bullies.
We are heading down a bad path with this dude.

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2/18/2024  10:46 PM
Nalod wrote:
Trump has a long trail of failures.

He is now hawlking $400 gold sneakers. Can’t make this **** up.
He has fans. They want hope. Dictators are attractive to the weak minded bullies.
We are heading down a bad path with this dude.

His sneakers are called Treazzies for those that have committed treason.

Bring back dee-fense
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2/19/2024  1:44 AM
JesseDark wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Trump has a long trail of failures.

He is now hawlking $400 gold sneakers. Can’t make this **** up.
He has fans. They want hope. Dictators are attractive to the weak minded bullies.
We are heading down a bad path with this dude.

His sneakers are called Treazzies for those that have committed treason.

That's hilarious. LOL... did you make that up?

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2/19/2024  6:38 AM
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Alpha1971 wrote:Cow bell, cow bell, cow bell, I'm part Puerto Rican and lots of that in Salsa. What English records have lots of friggin cow bells. Cow bells add something great to the experience. Early Chicago
with their original singer had a jam that employed cow bells and other hand held percussion instruments that was very Caribbean along with rock guitars and brass, don't know the name of the song

I got a fever.


Haha, that music sounds like 70s porn music
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2/19/2024  8:01 AM
gradyandrew wrote:
JesseDark wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Trump has a long trail of failures.

He is now hawlking $400 gold sneakers. Can’t make this **** up.
He has fans. They want hope. Dictators are attractive to the weak minded bullies.
We are heading down a bad path with this dude.

His sneakers are called Treazzies for those that have committed treason.

That's hilarious. LOL... did you make that up?

I can’t take credit for it one of FB friends did.

Bring back dee-fense
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2/19/2024  8:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2024  8:14 AM
Nalod wrote:
Trump has a long trail of failures.

He is now hawlking $400 gold sneakers. Can’t make this **** up.
He has fans. They want hope. Dictators are attractive to the weak minded bullies.
We are heading down a bad path with this dude.

I think attractive to the angry, uneducated and ignorant. Most that don't remember history or appreciate a real democracy for all.
It's Trump's playbook and source of revenue.

https://www.pbs.org/tpt/dictators-playbook/episodes/benito-mussolini/#:~:text=But%20in%20the%20world%20of,would%20use%20to%20seize%20power.

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2/19/2024  11:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2024  11:31 AM
The reason Trump's support strengthens with every indictment is because the majority of Americans see exactly what is happening here. They trying to put him in prison for the rest of his life not because his egregious crimes but because they don't want him to be president again. The man has been in the public spotlight for 5 decades and never faced a charge, then all of a sudden gets a tsunami of charges once he declares he's running again. Every single one of these cases has been some never-used fringe political theory (the Stormy case or the RICO case for challenging an election) or something that everyone in Trump's shoes does but never gets charged for (the classified docs and embellishing your net worth for preferable loans). The majority of the country does not find any of these charges to be warranted or credible. The left will laugh it off as a bunch of bible thumping rednecks but they are just showing they have never left their metropolitan bubbles, Trump's support has only widened and is getting stronger across the board. That's no different than the right saying all the remaining Biden/Harris supporters are blue haired antifa hippies or entitled college kids still living in their parents basement. Classic denialism and hubris by an out of touch media establishment and their dwindling consumer base.

Those clamoring "save democracy" while pushing to remove the leading candidate from the ballots and have him die in prison just look like out of touch buffoons at this point.

In addition, everyone knows the CIA spied on him during the 2016 election ("conspiracy theory" turned fact) completely made up the Russiagate narrative out of thin air (conspiracy theory turned fact) then pounded everyone over the head with it for 2 years to try and get him removed from office, banded together to discredit the censor the Hunter Biden laptop 2 weeks before the election when they knew it was legitimate (conspiracy theory turned fact). I don't think people realize how dumb they are after crying "election interference" over the Russia nonsense while turning a blind eye to all the election interference that has taken place to try and get this guy removed.

This is why no one takes the indictments seriously and his popularity gets stronger each time, the people trying to get Trump out for 7 years have lost all credibility at this point.

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2/19/2024  11:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2024  11:17 AM
The whole dictatorship thing is funny to me. Biden has behaved as more of a dictator than any president in history. On quite literally every policy issue Trump is less of a dictator than Biden. The guy who errs on the side of less government intervention or control is never the dictator. Biden literally hired 87K IRS agents like his first day on the job and is trying to put his opponent, who has more support than him by basically every poll or measure right now, in prison for the rest of his life on laughable charges so he can't win the election.
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2/19/2024  11:21 AM
In terms of the civil fraud case, I have not heard one credible analyst say this will hold up on appeal. I think everyone knows it will at a minimum get slashed in half or more. But they carefully designed it so he will have to put the money in escrow while he waits for appeal because all they really want is to make him pay for being a political enemy.
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2/19/2024  11:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2024  11:38 AM
DLeethal wrote:The reason Trump's support strengthens with every indictment is because the majority of Americans see exactly what is happening here. They trying to put him in prison for the rest of his life not because his egregious crimes but because they don't want him to be president again. The man has been in the public spotlight for 5 decades and never faced a charge, then all of a sudden gets a tsunami of charges once he declares he's running again. Every single one of these cases has been some never-used fringe political theory (the Stormy case or the RICO case for challenging an election) or something that everyone in Trump's shoes does but never gets charged for (the classified docs and embellishing your net worth for preferable loans). The majority of the country does not find any of these charges to be warranted or credible. The left will laugh it off as a bunch of bible thumping rednecks but they are just showing they have never left their metropolitan bubbles, Trump's support has only widened and is getting stronger across the board. That's no different than the right saying all the remaining Biden/Harris supporters are blue haired antifa hippies or entitled college kids still living in their parents basement. Classic denialism and hubris by an out of touch media establishment and their dwindling consumer base.

Those clamoring "save democracy" while pushing to remove the leading candidate from the ballots and have him die in prison just look like out of touch buffoons at this point.

In addition, everyone knows the CIA spied on him during the 2016 election ("conspiracy theory" turned fact) completely made up the Russiagate narrative out of thin air (conspiracy theory turned fact) then pounded everyone over the head with it for 2 years to try and get him removed from office, banded together to discredit the censor the Hunter Biden laptop 2 weeks before the election when they knew it was legitimate (conspiracy theory turned fact). I don't think people realize how dumb they are after crying "election interference" over the Russia nonsense while turning a blind eye to all the election interference that has taken place to try and get this guy removed.

This is why no one takes the indictments seriously and his popularity gets stronger each time, the people trying to get Trump out for 7 years have lost all credibility at this point.

Why are you speaking for anyone else besides yourself? Cause you can **** off with that level of uninformed gibberish; no need to splash any of that ignorance any further.

I find your lack of having an iota of a clue kinda revealing. We shall blame it on our poor educational system.

Lay off the Fox News stuff, it’ll be healthier for you.

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2/19/2024  11:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2024  11:39 AM
DLeethal wrote:The whole dictatorship thing is funny to me. Biden has behaved as more of a dictator than any president in history. On quite literally every policy issue Trump is less of a dictator than Biden. The guy who errs on the side of less government intervention or control is never the dictator. Biden literally hired 87K IRS agents like his first day on the job and is trying to put his opponent, who has more support than him by basically every poll or measure right now, in prison for the rest of his life on laughable charges so he can't win the election.

You can’t be this dumb?

This is a lot of America folks, read it and weep.

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2/19/2024  11:41 AM
DLeethal wrote:The reason Trump's support strengthens with every indictment is because the majority of Americans see exactly what is happening here. They trying to put him in prison for the rest of his life not because his egregious crimes but because they don't want him to be president again. The man has been in the public spotlight for 5 decades and never faced a charge, then all of a sudden gets a tsunami of charges once he declares he's running again. Every single one of these cases has been some never-used fringe political theory (the Stormy case or the RICO case for challenging an election) or something that everyone in Trump's shoes does but never gets charged for (the classified docs and embellishing your net worth for preferable loans). The majority of the country does not find any of these charges to be warranted or credible. The left will laugh it off as a bunch of bible thumping rednecks but they are just showing they have never left their metropolitan bubbles, Trump's support has only widened and is getting stronger across the board. That's no different than the right saying all the remaining Biden/Harris supporters are blue haired antifa hippies or entitled college kids still living in their parents basement. Classic denialism and hubris by an out of touch media establishment and their dwindling consumer base.

Those clamoring "save democracy" while pushing to remove the leading candidate from the ballots and have him die in prison just look like out of touch buffoons at this point.

Keep dreaming. Everything you just said about his popularity gaining is only in the dreary corners of Trump rallies. Where racism also festers well. Yes polls have shown that his victim, patriot, Jesus propaganda strengthens the MAGEts. However, the normal Americans, are distancing themselves further with each conviction and new trial.

Read my link above and learn about how these Trump tactics, like most of what he does, is stolen from others. Ie. Previous dictator's playbooks.

Question I have for all the Trump is a victim of politics apoligists.
Why is it that Hillary was not convicted?
Trump had his own DOJ.
Appointed a flunky Attorney General to do his bidding. (Barr)
Control of congress.
Yet NOTHING!
Why? Is Biden just smarter than Teump and better at manipulating the system .
If so, it highlights yet another Trump failure.
Or maybe it's that there is much more evidence of Trump wrongdoing and that what Trump is saying does not have any real proof. Except for the parrots repeating his lies.

Kinda like that key government witness who has just been accused of lying about Biden and his son?
But I'm sure that evidence will easily be dismissed by Sir trump.

I just hope Trumpers keep giving him all their money. It will be glorious seeing all those homeless or in jail with MAGA hats and gold sneakers!

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2/19/2024  11:41 AM
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:The whole dictatorship thing is funny to me. Biden has behaved as more of a dictator than any president in history. On quite literally every policy issue Trump is less of a dictator than Biden. The guy who errs on the side of less government intervention or control is never the dictator. Biden literally hired 87K IRS agents like his first day on the job and is trying to put his opponent, who has more support than him by basically every poll or measure right now, in prison for the rest of his life on laughable charges so he can't win the election.

You can’t be this dumb?

This is a lot of America folks, read it and weep.

Nice rebuttal. I'll put my intelligence up against yours any day boss.

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