DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:During the month of January, Knicks were tied for 3rd in wins, 9th in ORating, 3rd in DRating, 3rd in NetRating.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?DateFrom=01/01/2024&DateTo=02/29/2024&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING

What the **** are we complaining about today? That OG missed some games but was otherwise setting historical +/- rating for a single player on a new team. EVER.

Dude had the highest individual impact on the court ever while joining a new team, for like 4 weeks straight.

Open the flood gates of look back.

This is a trick question.

We will be really good at full strength but can't rely on that honeymoon forever. We had similar runs after Rose trade and Hart trade. Dust settles and those runs never last forever. We will be a different team in a different spot when everyone gets back. And soon we will have to make tough decisions about keeping key guys from that honeymoon run (Deuce and Precious) in the fold or incorporate the guys from the trade instead.

But we are now a team on a 4 game losing streak with a brutal run of games ahead trying to incorporate key guys 1 by 1 as they get back into the lineup. Near term still looks rocky and will be a battle to get our mojo back.

That's a weird way of saying the Knicks were missing 4 starters and their 7th and 8th guys off bench.

Legit missing 6 rotation players.

But honeymoon?

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:During the month of January, Knicks were tied for 3rd in wins, 9th in ORating, 3rd in DRating, 3rd in NetRating.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?DateFrom=01/01/2024&DateTo=02/29/2024&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING

What the **** are we complaining about today? That OG missed some games but was otherwise setting historical +/- rating for a single player on a new team. EVER.

Dude had the highest individual impact on the court ever while joining a new team, for like 4 weeks straight.

Open the flood gates of look back.

This is a trick question.

We will be really good at full strength but can't rely on that honeymoon forever. We had similar runs after Rose trade and Hart trade. Dust settles and those runs never last forever. We will be a different team in a different spot when everyone gets back. And soon we will have to make tough decisions about keeping key guys from that honeymoon run (Deuce and Precious) in the fold or incorporate the guys from the trade instead.

But we are now a team on a 4 game losing streak with a brutal run of games ahead trying to incorporate key guys 1 by 1 as they get back into the lineup. Near term still looks rocky and will be a battle to get our mojo back.

That's a weird way of saying the Knicks were missing 4 starters and their 7th and 8th guys off bench.

Legit missing 6 rotation players.

But honeymoon?

the main players traded were RJ & IQ for OG and Bogs. two ironmen for two injury prone players. so it's not exactly a huge surprise.

our durability was a big advantage, we traded some of that away.

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:During the month of January, Knicks were tied for 3rd in wins, 9th in ORating, 3rd in DRating, 3rd in NetRating.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?DateFrom=01/01/2024&DateTo=02/29/2024&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING

What the **** are we complaining about today? That OG missed some games but was otherwise setting historical +/- rating for a single player on a new team. EVER.

Dude had the highest individual impact on the court ever while joining a new team, for like 4 weeks straight.

Open the flood gates of look back.

This is a trick question.

We will be really good at full strength but can't rely on that honeymoon forever. We had similar runs after Rose trade and Hart trade. Dust settles and those runs never last forever. We will be a different team in a different spot when everyone gets back. And soon we will have to make tough decisions about keeping key guys from that honeymoon run (Deuce and Precious) in the fold or incorporate the guys from the trade instead.

But we are now a team on a 4 game losing streak with a brutal run of games ahead trying to incorporate key guys 1 by 1 as they get back into the lineup. Near term still looks rocky and will be a battle to get our mojo back.

That's a weird way of saying the Knicks were missing 4 starters and their 7th and 8th guys off bench.

Legit missing 6 rotation players.

But honeymoon?

I'm not saying we would have lost 4 in a row at full health, we probably would have kept buzzing along until ASB. But everyone got hurt, we lost 4 in a row, and we have a brutal stretch coming up where we need to incorporate all of our guys back into the lineup piece by piece. That's our new reality. It's going to be tough - not sure why that is a controversial take. Momentum is earned and when you lost it you have to earn it back.

Post trade honeymoon, just like the honeymoon most coaches get after a coaching change. They never last forever.

The glass half full version would be that this has allowed Thibs to play players big mins that he normally wouldn't have. Hartenstein, Precious, Mcbride have all shown to be gems due to the injuries ahead of them. During the playoffs when guys are called up they will be more than ready to go.

Trade/injuries have also shown us how good DDV can also be with the free reign given to him.

Knicks future is being molded for the long haul due to these revelations.

You can’t move a guy that just made the All Star team for the 3rd time in 4 years. He’s not perfect but he’s making virtually no money compared to other all stars.

Grimes is the only one that bothers me. The trade for Bogey only made sense if we were going to get our guys heathy by the playoffs, then it’s a good deal because we have a real shot. His on ball defense was special, he just for whatever reason couldn’t figure out how to pick his spots offensively. His upside is there, but he’s also always injured.

The hope is you could resign OG at a better contract now.

Knixkik wrote:Much better off now than before. And I was a huge RJ and Quickley guy. I think the opinion that we are better is fairly universal at this point. Just have to have patience.

nycericanguy wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:During the month of January, Knicks were tied for 3rd in wins, 9th in ORating, 3rd in DRating, 3rd in NetRating.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?DateFrom=01/01/2024&DateTo=02/29/2024&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING

What the **** are we complaining about today? That OG missed some games but was otherwise setting historical +/- rating for a single player on a new team. EVER.

Dude had the highest individual impact on the court ever while joining a new team, for like 4 weeks straight.

Open the flood gates of look back.

This is a trick question.

We will be really good at full strength but can't rely on that honeymoon forever. We had similar runs after Rose trade and Hart trade. Dust settles and those runs never last forever. We will be a different team in a different spot when everyone gets back. And soon we will have to make tough decisions about keeping key guys from that honeymoon run (Deuce and Precious) in the fold or incorporate the guys from the trade instead.

But we are now a team on a 4 game losing streak with a brutal run of games ahead trying to incorporate key guys 1 by 1 as they get back into the lineup. Near term still looks rocky and will be a battle to get our mojo back.

That's a weird way of saying the Knicks were missing 4 starters and their 7th and 8th guys off bench.

Legit missing 6 rotation players.

But honeymoon?

the main players traded were RJ & IQ for OG and Bogs. two ironmen for two injury prone players. so it's not exactly a huge surprise.

our durability was a big advantage, we traded some of that away.

You need to help quantify for me what you consider an injury pronoe player and how it pertains to Bogs. And then help me understand why they even matters.

Cause you sure ain't talking about what's better for the team and, you know, wins. Unless all you care about is a young team where no one misses games?

We definitely a worse team without OG, Randle AND on top of that Hartenstein. And we're a dreadful team when you then further take away additional guys like we have lately like DiVincenzo, Bogdanovic, Sims, Brunson etc.

Might as well have these injuries now and be in a position for mid-March / April to have these guys back fully healthy and ready to go for the playoffs. We want to finish top 4, out of the play in if possible. I think we can do it.

Clean wrote:Time to ignore this thread people got on those rose tinted glasses again. The old team did not fit at all. We were going no where with RJ as a starter. We could not afford to keep Quick because he wants too much money. Yall need to watch that winning streak post OG trade again because these losses due to injuries are getting to you.

How many times I've heard IQ wanted to much money? How much did he want? I believe the rumor was $20m?
But Bojan is worth $19m and he only plays one side of the court and 10 years older?

Panos wrote:

Clean wrote:Time to ignore this thread people got on those rose tinted glasses again. The old team did not fit at all. We were going no where with RJ as a starter. We could not afford to keep Quick because he wants too much money. Yall need to watch that winning streak post OG trade again because these losses due to injuries are getting to you.

How many times I've heard IQ wanted to much money? How much did he want? I believe the rumor was $20m?
But Bojan is worth $19m and he only plays one side of the court and 10 years older?

He wanted 25mil or more a year. You can't justify that with how bad his playoff was. I can understand if he played in the playoffs like he did in the regular season but that was not the case. Giving Quick 25mil also meant we had to let someone else go like Ihart or we would be over the cap with a team that does not fit.

https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-refusal-extend-immanuel-quickley

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-next-contract-for-immanuel-quickley#:~:text=%E2%80%9CQuickley%20was%20offered%20around%20%2418,HoopsHype%20wrote%20earlier%20this%20month.