GustavBahler wrote:

Rookie wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I'm worried about what I see so far with this trade. Burks looks completely washed, Bogs has some skills but big deficiencies in areas we rely upon heavily for success. We have had zero success incorporating anyone who isn't a high motor guy with defensive chops. I'm already looking forward to where these guys barely get mins when we are at full strength.

At full strength I think Burks should become situational and the bench should be Deuce - Hart - Bogs - Precious/Mitch. Run through Bogs in the half court. Burks is too loosey goosey and he's lost a lot in 2 years.

One guy has played 2 games, the other 3. With up to 6 missing rotational guys, meaning Taj and some GLeague bros are sweating it up.

One may need some patience in this space. Just a little

Understood - but red flags are still there. Burks is at the age where most players start to get washed and his style is his style, doesn't seem to mesh well with a team that was playing some really crisp high IQ basketball. I am more confident we can make Bogs work, not really confident in the Burks backup PG experiment. I'd rather just let Deuce run wild on defense and let Bogs run half court offense.

Knicks running lineups with zero outside shooting outside of Burks, Brunson, McBride (and one or more is always sitting). Precious, Taj, Jericho, Hart, even iHart... not a ton of spacing.

They'll be fine. Although Burks has looked like ass IMO

Even if Burks is washed, his minutes will be limited when it matters. Hart and Bogs will receive the bulk of the backup minutes. And then the Knicks will just let him go this summer. Thibs likes him but he doesn’t have the same value to thibs like hart, DiVincenzo etc.

Feel like Knicks will offer Burks a 2 year deal. More so because they need the contract to trade later on or maybe the rotation player if they need to trade someone else away.

You know what you get in Burks. Not all pretty but very predictable. And at a fair price, he is ideal cause of what he can do in a pinch. Less than MLE money

Do you think they try to resign all the guys - iHart, OG, Precious, Burks?

I know you weren't asking me, but my .02 is Burks is looking/playing like a vet minimum guy.

I'm confident Burks will look good as a backup in spot minutes, than as a starter. We've seen which role Burks plays best. Not a starter this time by design, so I'm not concerned this early.

Burks isnt moving like he's washed. Looks like he's getting used to playing for Thibs again. Shorter leash.

exactly. People are quick to forget just how good Burks was for us when he was not playing PG. I refuse to judge the new guys until they learn the system and are playing the roles meant for them.

GustavBahler wrote:

Rookie wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I'm worried about what I see so far with this trade. Burks looks completely washed, Bogs has some skills but big deficiencies in areas we rely upon heavily for success. We have had zero success incorporating anyone who isn't a high motor guy with defensive chops. I'm already looking forward to where these guys barely get mins when we are at full strength.

At full strength I think Burks should become situational and the bench should be Deuce - Hart - Bogs - Precious/Mitch. Run through Bogs in the half court. Burks is too loosey goosey and he's lost a lot in 2 years.

One guy has played 2 games, the other 3. With up to 6 missing rotational guys, meaning Taj and some GLeague bros are sweating it up.

One may need some patience in this space. Just a little

Understood - but red flags are still there. Burks is at the age where most players start to get washed and his style is his style, doesn't seem to mesh well with a team that was playing some really crisp high IQ basketball. I am more confident we can make Bogs work, not really confident in the Burks backup PG experiment. I'd rather just let Deuce run wild on defense and let Bogs run half court offense.

Knicks running lineups with zero outside shooting outside of Burks, Brunson, McBride (and one or more is always sitting). Precious, Taj, Jericho, Hart, even iHart... not a ton of spacing.

They'll be fine. Although Burks has looked like ass IMO

Even if Burks is washed, his minutes will be limited when it matters. Hart and Bogs will receive the bulk of the backup minutes. And then the Knicks will just let him go this summer. Thibs likes him but he doesn’t have the same value to thibs like hart, DiVincenzo etc.

Feel like Knicks will offer Burks a 2 year deal. More so because they need the contract to trade later on or maybe the rotation player if they need to trade someone else away.

You know what you get in Burks. Not all pretty but very predictable. And at a fair price, he is ideal cause of what he can do in a pinch. Less than MLE money

Do you think they try to resign all the guys - iHart, OG, Precious, Burks?

I know you weren't asking me, but my .02 is Burks is looking/playing like a vet minimum guy.

I'm confident Burks will look good as a backup in spot minutes, than as a starter. We've seen which role Burks plays best. Not a starter this time by design, so I'm not concerned this early.

Burks isnt moving like he's washed. Looks like he's getting used to playing for Thibs again. Shorter leash.

IDK, I always got the feel from Burks that he needs to play through mistakes to get to the good stuff. Not really a short minute low usage guy, but a guy who needs enough reps to get through the bad shots out of his system so he can eventually catch a little fire streak and bang 2 or 3 threes in a row. I don't really see him as some contained 15 min player who shoots high % on low volume. Deuce on the other hand......

If we are limiting Burks role at full strength down to a dozen minutes or something, then I'm not sure he's a better option than Deuce.

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I'm worried about what I see so far with this trade. Burks looks completely washed, Bogs has some skills but big deficiencies in areas we rely upon heavily for success. We have had zero success incorporating anyone who isn't a high motor guy with defensive chops. I'm already looking forward to where these guys barely get mins when we are at full strength.

At full strength I think Burks should become situational and the bench should be Deuce - Hart - Bogs - Precious/Mitch. Run through Bogs in the half court. Burks is too loosey goosey and he's lost a lot in 2 years.

One guy has played 2 games, the other 3. With up to 6 missing rotational guys, meaning Taj and some GLeague bros are sweating it up.

One may need some patience in this space. Just a little

Understood - but red flags are still there. Burks is at the age where most players start to get washed and his style is his style, doesn't seem to mesh well with a team that was playing some really crisp high IQ basketball. I am more confident we can make Bogs work, not really confident in the Burks backup PG experiment. I'd rather just let Deuce run wild on defense and let Bogs run half court offense.

Knicks running lineups with zero outside shooting outside of Burks, Brunson, McBride (and one or more is always sitting). Precious, Taj, Jericho, Hart, even iHart... not a ton of spacing.

They'll be fine. Although Burks has looked like ass IMO

Even if Burks is washed, his minutes will be limited when it matters. Hart and Bogs will receive the bulk of the backup minutes. And then the Knicks will just let him go this summer. Thibs likes him but he doesn’t have the same value to thibs like hart, DiVincenzo etc.

Feel like Knicks will offer Burks a 2 year deal. More so because they need the contract to trade later on or maybe the rotation player if they need to trade someone else away.

You know what you get in Burks. Not all pretty but very predictable. And at a fair price, he is ideal cause of what he can do in a pinch. Less than MLE money

Do you think they try to resign all the guys - iHart, OG, Precious, Burks?

Why wouldn't you? 3 are locks. Burks is a luxury.

Meanwhile RJ is banged up, OG is out, Raptors are tanking and IQ’s stats are empty. The trade will take 3 years to sort out and see if it was worth it. Precious has been the most needed player if the deal. Go figure!!!!!

crazy season! Enjoy the break!!

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I'm worried about what I see so far with this trade. Burks looks completely washed, Bogs has some skills but big deficiencies in areas we rely upon heavily for success. We have had zero success incorporating anyone who isn't a high motor guy with defensive chops. I'm already looking forward to where these guys barely get mins when we are at full strength.

At full strength I think Burks should become situational and the bench should be Deuce - Hart - Bogs - Precious/Mitch. Run through Bogs in the half court. Burks is too loosey goosey and he's lost a lot in 2 years.

One guy has played 2 games, the other 3. With up to 6 missing rotational guys, meaning Taj and some GLeague bros are sweating it up.

One may need some patience in this space. Just a little

Understood - but red flags are still there. Burks is at the age where most players start to get washed and his style is his style, doesn't seem to mesh well with a team that was playing some really crisp high IQ basketball. I am more confident we can make Bogs work, not really confident in the Burks backup PG experiment. I'd rather just let Deuce run wild on defense and let Bogs run half court offense.

Knicks running lineups with zero outside shooting outside of Burks, Brunson, McBride (and one or more is always sitting). Precious, Taj, Jericho, Hart, even iHart... not a ton of spacing.

They'll be fine. Although Burks has looked like ass IMO

Even if Burks is washed, his minutes will be limited when it matters. Hart and Bogs will receive the bulk of the backup minutes. And then the Knicks will just let him go this summer. Thibs likes him but he doesn’t have the same value to thibs like hart, DiVincenzo etc.

Feel like Knicks will offer Burks a 2 year deal. More so because they need the contract to trade later on or maybe the rotation player if they need to trade someone else away.

You know what you get in Burks. Not all pretty but very predictable. And at a fair price, he is ideal cause of what he can do in a pinch. Less than MLE money

Do you think they try to resign all the guys - iHart, OG, Precious, Burks?

Why wouldn't you? 3 are locks. Burks is a luxury.

I feel like we sometimes ignore the fact that teams let guys walk all the time. It's part of the strategic long term team building process. You don't resign everybody that's good. Look at all the talent the Celtics have let walk or trade away over the years to tinker the lineup and make room for bloated salaries at the top of the roster. Knicks will have to make some tough decisions between iHart/Mitch, Precious, Burks. Not everyone will be resigned and retained.

We do ignore that players walk and its why we got Randle and Brunson!
Its rare the big stars do. We could talk about DM in this vein and its unlikley he still walk.
He can say “Im only resigning with Knicks” which will reduce his trade value but help him win a chip.
He could say “Nyets or Knicks” and create a bidding war. Bird rights are not something you ignore either.

Panos wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I’m excited to see bogdanovic’s role grow with the team. I think he’s going to be extremely useful off the bench as they run offense thru him, and playing with the starters as a spot up shooter. He’s just what this team needed as some scoring replacement for Barrett/ quickley. As far as Burks, it’s really hard to fully judge until some of the starters are back, but I think it’s going to be a lot closer between he and deuce for backup PG than I originally thought. Burks seems to be slower than he was a couple of years ago and struggles to create space.

He needs to hit the shots he's been brought here to hit.

Bogs worries me. He is good at hitting bad shots. Perhaps his midrange game opens up his 3 point. I just see a lot of off balance 14 foot bank shots and I think that would be bad to rely on those shots come playoff time.

DLeethal wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Panos wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I’m excited to see bogdanovic’s role grow with the team. I think he’s going to be extremely useful off the bench as they run offense thru him, and playing with the starters as a spot up shooter. He’s just what this team needed as some scoring replacement for Barrett/ quickley. As far as Burks, it’s really hard to fully judge until some of the starters are back, but I think it’s going to be a lot closer between he and deuce for backup PG than I originally thought. Burks seems to be slower than he was a couple of years ago and struggles to create space.

He needs to hit the shots he's been brought here to hit.

Bogs worries me. He is good at hitting bad shots. Perhaps his midrange game opens up his 3 point. I just see a lot of off balance 14 foot bank shots and I think that would be bad to rely on those shots come playoff time.

If Bogs makes the final rotation he will be getting wide open looks. Randle gets guys wide open looks. Bogs will be staggered in different lineups and will feast off sickouts. Right now he's being asked to do too much creation.

Maybe it's confirmation bias (I've always liked Bojan) but I am very impressed with him offensively. He's been asked to play like a half-court engine so far. He's not bad at it but he's an off-ball scorer. I think he's the type of scorer that is better with better talent. He has the size, release, and cunning he can get off shots w/o a lot of space and can take advantage of small opportunities. The fact that he can create without any advantage should be a bonus and not his go-to. I only worry about his defense/rebound and Thib's trust level with him. I think he would be at his best not only with creators like Randle/Brunson but with as many other shooters as possible. Walking the tightrope trying to balance shooting versus defense and size will be a challenge

NYKBocker wrote:The true value of Bogdanovic won't be realized until Julius and OG comes back. He will open up the middle for randle and Brunson. He is a piece of the puzzle that we currently don't see due to injuries. Gotta be patient. On the other hand, Burks seems to be cooked.

So you see him playing with the starters when we are healthy. In your scenario you are benching DDV?