newyorknewyork wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

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BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

VDesai wrote:Just look at Bojan Bogdonavic as an example. 31st pick in the draft. His rights were traded a few times, but he was drafted in 2011 and came over in 2014. Knicks haven't traded his rights yet, so I think they have some belief in him, bu won't start the clock on this guy till he's rotation ready. What we haven't heard from him is a lack of desire to come to the NBA. He also has shown the requisite development. With Grimes/RJ/Quick off the roster and a few contracts like Burks potentially running off, it might be his time. We'll see.

The only definitive thing we heard from his camp was that he has no interest in coming over without a legit role. Unless they open up a Quickley type role for him off the bench I don't think he will come play for us. I do think he will hold some value in a trade though. And it's possible they open up a legit role for him next year.

He’s a CAA client so I’m sure there’s a plan in place for him. I think if Burks doesn’t get resigned it will open up an opportunity. But if Burks does come back not sure what happens. There’s still a gap on the roster for a backup PG, but no guarantee for a rotation spot given how Thibs likes to use Burks.

True, but there's no guarantee they bring Alec back after this year. His contract is up after this season.

I don't know if its cost effective to bring Burks back. IHart if he resigns will get a salary increase. Hart's extension will kick in. OG is due an extension, Precious is an RFA, and will need to decide if they want to hold on to Bojan or move him.

Given the trade Bojan will be here until there’s another major trade. Burks is more questionable I agree but seems like the Knicks want to keep the guys who fit well for depth. Seems silly just to let Burks walk.

Will depend on how the lux tax hits. It wouldn't be logical to allow Burks to put you in the penalty box. Either we make a trade for a star and fill in the holes with vet min vets looking to ring chase. Or we use the 2 first round draft picks as more cost effective options for the depth. Which may be the better play due to the combination of long term potential and cost effectiveness.

If Burks decides hell stay for super cheap though which is an option given the stage he is in his career. Then its moot.

Doubt we resign Burks unless this team makes a serious run for it this year and we want to run it back. Even in that scenario we probably don't. We are in a good spot to draft a couple kids, we could use a young guard and a young big. We also have Rokas. I think we can slide some younger guys back into the fold next year.

DLeethal wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

VDesai wrote:Just look at Bojan Bogdonavic as an example. 31st pick in the draft. His rights were traded a few times, but he was drafted in 2011 and came over in 2014. Knicks haven't traded his rights yet, so I think they have some belief in him, bu won't start the clock on this guy till he's rotation ready. What we haven't heard from him is a lack of desire to come to the NBA. He also has shown the requisite development. With Grimes/RJ/Quick off the roster and a few contracts like Burks potentially running off, it might be his time. We'll see.

The only definitive thing we heard from his camp was that he has no interest in coming over without a legit role. Unless they open up a Quickley type role for him off the bench I don't think he will come play for us. I do think he will hold some value in a trade though. And it's possible they open up a legit role for him next year.

He’s a CAA client so I’m sure there’s a plan in place for him. I think if Burks doesn’t get resigned it will open up an opportunity. But if Burks does come back not sure what happens. There’s still a gap on the roster for a backup PG, but no guarantee for a rotation spot given how Thibs likes to use Burks.

True, but there's no guarantee they bring Alec back after this year. His contract is up after this season.

I don't know if its cost effective to bring Burks back. IHart if he resigns will get a salary increase. Hart's extension will kick in. OG is due an extension, Precious is an RFA, and will need to decide if they want to hold on to Bojan or move him.

Given the trade Bojan will be here until there’s another major trade. Burks is more questionable I agree but seems like the Knicks want to keep the guys who fit well for depth. Seems silly just to let Burks walk.

Will depend on how the lux tax hits. It wouldn't be logical to allow Burks to put you in the penalty box. Either we make a trade for a star and fill in the holes with vet min vets looking to ring chase. Or we use the 2 first round draft picks as more cost effective options for the depth. Which may be the better play due to the combination of long term potential and cost effectiveness.

If Burks decides hell stay for super cheap though which is an option given the stage he is in his career. Then its moot.

Doubt we resign Burks unless this team makes a serious run for it this year and we want to run it back. Even in that scenario we probably don't. We are in a good spot to draft a couple kids, we could use a young guard and a young big. We also have Rokas. I think we can slide some younger guys back into the fold next year.

If I was a betting man I would bet we do sign him. You don't give up assets for a few months rental. Especially when he fits our team so perfectly and we actually needs what he brings. Unless someone massively overpays like the rockets did last offseason we should re-sign him.

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DLeethal wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

VDesai wrote:Just look at Bojan Bogdonavic as an example. 31st pick in the draft. His rights were traded a few times, but he was drafted in 2011 and came over in 2014. Knicks haven't traded his rights yet, so I think they have some belief in him, bu won't start the clock on this guy till he's rotation ready. What we haven't heard from him is a lack of desire to come to the NBA. He also has shown the requisite development. With Grimes/RJ/Quick off the roster and a few contracts like Burks potentially running off, it might be his time. We'll see.

The only definitive thing we heard from his camp was that he has no interest in coming over without a legit role. Unless they open up a Quickley type role for him off the bench I don't think he will come play for us. I do think he will hold some value in a trade though. And it's possible they open up a legit role for him next year.

He’s a CAA client so I’m sure there’s a plan in place for him. I think if Burks doesn’t get resigned it will open up an opportunity. But if Burks does come back not sure what happens. There’s still a gap on the roster for a backup PG, but no guarantee for a rotation spot given how Thibs likes to use Burks.

True, but there's no guarantee they bring Alec back after this year. His contract is up after this season.

I don't know if its cost effective to bring Burks back. IHart if he resigns will get a salary increase. Hart's extension will kick in. OG is due an extension, Precious is an RFA, and will need to decide if they want to hold on to Bojan or move him.

Given the trade Bojan will be here until there’s another major trade. Burks is more questionable I agree but seems like the Knicks want to keep the guys who fit well for depth. Seems silly just to let Burks walk.

Will depend on how the lux tax hits. It wouldn't be logical to allow Burks to put you in the penalty box. Either we make a trade for a star and fill in the holes with vet min vets looking to ring chase. Or we use the 2 first round draft picks as more cost effective options for the depth. Which may be the better play due to the combination of long term potential and cost effectiveness.

If Burks decides hell stay for super cheap though which is an option given the stage he is in his career. Then its moot.

Doubt we resign Burks unless this team makes a serious run for it this year and we want to run it back. Even in that scenario we probably don't. We are in a good spot to draft a couple kids, we could use a young guard and a young big. We also have Rokas. I think we can slide some younger guys back into the fold next year.

If I was a betting man I would bet we do sign him. You don't give up assets for a few months rental. Especially when he fits our team so perfectly and we actually needs what he brings. Unless someone massively overpays like the rockets did last offseason we should re-sign him.

I mean, teams do give up assets for a playoff run player at the deadline all the time. But we also will retain Bogs for another season. So for what we gave up, and given we are gonna keep Bogs barring a blockbuster, I think it's OK to not resign Burks if we prefer to roll with Deuce and a draft pick next year instead. You have to play the moneyball game, gotta let guys walk and replace them with rookie contracts sometimes.

DLeethal wrote:I'll go on the record and say next year I would prefer we look at Deuce/Rokas/mid 1st round draft pick to replace Burks role and let him walk. He is needed right now though.

agreed, unless Burks balls out, but I'd like to see what Rokas can do.

DLeethal wrote:I'll go on the record and say next year I would prefer we look at Deuce/Rokas/mid 1st round draft pick to replace Burks role and let him walk. He is needed right now though.

I personally would wait until playoff time. We saw it with Grimes and Quick last year. The playoffs is a whole different level than the regular season. Once teams gameplan you need to reach another level.

Knixkik wrote:

Panos wrote:

Clean wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

VDesai wrote:Just look at Bojan Bogdonavic as an example. 31st pick in the draft. His rights were traded a few times, but he was drafted in 2011 and came over in 2014. Knicks haven't traded his rights yet, so I think they have some belief in him, bu won't start the clock on this guy till he's rotation ready. What we haven't heard from him is a lack of desire to come to the NBA. He also has shown the requisite development. With Grimes/RJ/Quick off the roster and a few contracts like Burks potentially running off, it might be his time. We'll see.

The only definitive thing we heard from his camp was that he has no interest in coming over without a legit role. Unless they open up a Quickley type role for him off the bench I don't think he will come play for us. I do think he will hold some value in a trade though. And it's possible they open up a legit role for him next year.

He;s a CAA client so I;m sure there;s a plan in place for him. I think if Burks doesnt get resigned it will open up an opportunity. But if Burks does come back not sure what happens. Theres still a gap on the roster for a backup PG, but no guarantee for a rotation spot given how Thibs likes to use Burks.

True, but there's no guarantee they bring Alec back after this year. His contract is up after this season.

I don't know if its cost effective to bring Burks back. IHart if he resigns will get a salary increase. Hart's extension will kick in. OG is due an extension, Precious is an RFA, and will need to decide if they want to hold on to Bojan or move him.

Given the trade Bojan will be here until theres another major trade. Burks is more questionable I agree but seems like the Knicks want to keep the guys who fit well for depth. Seems silly just to let Burks walk.

Will depend on how the lux tax hits. It wouldn't be logical to allow Burks to put you in the penalty box. Either we make a trade for a star and fill in the holes with vet min vets looking to ring chase. Or we use the 2 first round draft picks as more cost effective options for the depth. Which may be the better play due to the combination of long term potential and cost effectiveness.

If Burks decides hell stay for super cheap though which is an option given the stage he is in his career. Then its moot.

Doubt we resign Burks unless this team makes a serious run for it this year and we want to run it back. Even in that scenario we probably don't. We are in a good spot to draft a couple kids, we could use a young guard and a young big. We also have Rokas. I think we can slide some younger guys back into the fold next year.

If I was a betting man I would bet we do sign him. You don't give up assets for a few months rental. Especially when he fits our team so perfectly and we actually needs what he brings. Unless someone massively overpays like the rockets did last offseason we should re-sign him.

I agree I think there's a good chance he comes back. He's perfect in the role. But it might depend on price

Yup this is where I stand. I bet he comes back if the price is right. He’s likely preferred over an unknown like Rokas given were things stand.

Burks can either fight for MLE or cap space from another team, or he and agent, between now and start of free agency, can figure out an extension worthy of a Brock Aller-Donte negotiation session.

It'll be less than MLE, IMHO. Burks will be 33 and I'd guess he would settle for a reasonable 3 year deal worked out ahead of time instead of needing to (kinda sorta) wait until free agency to talk to other teams and find out what they have left after going for their priorities.

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martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Panos wrote:

Clean wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

VDesai wrote:Just look at Bojan Bogdonavic as an example. 31st pick in the draft. His rights were traded a few times, but he was drafted in 2011 and came over in 2014. Knicks haven't traded his rights yet, so I think they have some belief in him, bu won't start the clock on this guy till he's rotation ready. What we haven't heard from him is a lack of desire to come to the NBA. He also has shown the requisite development. With Grimes/RJ/Quick off the roster and a few contracts like Burks potentially running off, it might be his time. We'll see.

The only definitive thing we heard from his camp was that he has no interest in coming over without a legit role. Unless they open up a Quickley type role for him off the bench I don't think he will come play for us. I do think he will hold some value in a trade though. And it's possible they open up a legit role for him next year.

He;s a CAA client so I;m sure there;s a plan in place for him. I think if Burks doesnt get resigned it will open up an opportunity. But if Burks does come back not sure what happens. Theres still a gap on the roster for a backup PG, but no guarantee for a rotation spot given how Thibs likes to use Burks.

True, but there's no guarantee they bring Alec back after this year. His contract is up after this season.

I don't know if its cost effective to bring Burks back. IHart if he resigns will get a salary increase. Hart's extension will kick in. OG is due an extension, Precious is an RFA, and will need to decide if they want to hold on to Bojan or move him.

Given the trade Bojan will be here until theres another major trade. Burks is more questionable I agree but seems like the Knicks want to keep the guys who fit well for depth. Seems silly just to let Burks walk.

Will depend on how the lux tax hits. It wouldn't be logical to allow Burks to put you in the penalty box. Either we make a trade for a star and fill in the holes with vet min vets looking to ring chase. Or we use the 2 first round draft picks as more cost effective options for the depth. Which may be the better play due to the combination of long term potential and cost effectiveness.

If Burks decides hell stay for super cheap though which is an option given the stage he is in his career. Then its moot.

Doubt we resign Burks unless this team makes a serious run for it this year and we want to run it back. Even in that scenario we probably don't. We are in a good spot to draft a couple kids, we could use a young guard and a young big. We also have Rokas. I think we can slide some younger guys back into the fold next year.

If I was a betting man I would bet we do sign him. You don't give up assets for a few months rental. Especially when he fits our team so perfectly and we actually needs what he brings. Unless someone massively overpays like the rockets did last offseason we should re-sign him.

I agree I think there's a good chance he comes back. He's perfect in the role. But it might depend on price

Yup this is where I stand. I bet he comes back if the price is right. He’s likely preferred over an unknown like Rokas given were things stand.

Burks can either fight for MLE or cap space from another team, or he and agent, between now and start of free agency, can figure out an extension worthy of a Brock Aller-Donte negotiation session.

It'll be less than MLE, IMHO. Burks will be 33 and I'd guess he would settle for a reasonable 3 year deal worked out ahead of time instead of needing to (kinda sorta) wait until free agency to talk to other teams and find out what they have left after going for their priorities.

Three years? At least two of those years better have a team option.

He'll make less than Donte money which is a steal. I'd say Burks could ask for at least 2 years guaranteed and maybe push for 3 but not get it and settle for Team option.

Im to assume Dallas pick will hit this year. They made some nice moves and will assume the pick will be in the high teens to low twenties. With ours, we pick up two players if aller does not do his thing. If we bring in perhaps one will be a rotation player we can fawn over with glee. “Weak” drafts prove otherwise often when the real talent exists in lower picks.

What is burks worth in the open market? What other teams will seek him out and at what cost? Can we match it and what kind of opportunity can we promise? By that, someone can push him to the bench like Grimes did to EF type situation. It happens. Thibs likes him but we might draft someone he prefers to develop?

For all the good press the trade has bought and fans eating it up last night we saw the reality that these guys are not saviors and this team will struggle until healthy and they get the mojo back.

As for Rokas? Write him off. Until he makes a commitment to come and take the risk no team is going to pave him a guarantee for a rotation until he can prove himself. He’ll want a mulit year player option type deal. Why not, if he kills it he gets more money and guarantee. If not, he can take the check or opt out and go back home. Is there a middle ground? Could be. But this dude won’t do summer league and spend time at practice facility.
Do we give him one of those april signing things for $400k were he comes in during the summer and work on his game?
Or he play with national team before olympics? I gather the latter.
IQ is gone and he’d have to compete with Deuce for minutes. Two different players and thibs trusts Deuce defense acumen. We paid a euro few years back AFTER the season and he got hurt. We paid Isiah Roby last year similar.
He has yet to crack out of Westchester. Not like we did not need a large PF type either!!!!

DLeethal wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Some of you guys are off your Rokas if you think a Euro can just step in and give the same steady production an NBA vet like Burks can. Burks can competently play 1-3 as a starter or off the bench and This trusts him. I think we definitely resign him, a useful player like him at a mid level salary is also useful for trade purposes. Knicks will have his bird rights so they can also target someone else with the mle if needed.

I don't think it's off. Burks value right now is coming to us as a decimated team. What's his role at full strength? It's a minimal one. I think the point is we can give Deuce more of a defined role next year instead of a utility 3rd stringer and add some younger able bodies around him. With Deuce, Hart, Precious, Mitch or iHart we have 4 very capable bench players already. We don't really need to sign a 33/34 year old to a legit contract to boot.

I think Burks value when this team is fully healthy is the backup to Brunson. Burks, Bogdanovic, hart and one of the centers is the bench rotation for a 9-man rotation. Deuce is back to his situational 10th man role. Burks is still too good to not help this team at least in the non-Brunson minutes. I know he’s no point guard but he’s a shot creator off the bench which is what is needed.