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blkexec
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2/3/2024  11:25 PM
TheMTL wrote:7 last minutes of the game we went scoreless smh

I missed the 4th but heard they doubled JB the entire time. Good loss to remind Leon we still need that insurance trade when OG and Randle are out of having off nights. Double JB is the secret strategy all teams will continue to use moving forward.

Murray is a good addition. I’m just worried about what we lose in that trade. Grimes, EF and picks is cool.

Now when everybody is healthy would Murray be happy in a limited role?

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2/3/2024  11:37 PM
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ToddTT wrote:How are we still so bad at handling the double teams?

When Hartenstein went out, there was no one creating screens at the top for Brunson. They were double him off Hart and while Hart made the first 3 the next 3-4 possesions were a disaster.

Three no shooters in the lineup is a killer. They'll let Precious shoot all day. It's simple. Let the other players beat you.

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2/4/2024  12:04 AM
Tough loss. Anthony Davis is a big dude. No disrespect to iHart, but AD set the tone on rebounding. They played defense on Lebron as well as the could. Precious did a solid job. But Lebron is just an amazing player. I’m happy with our guys. They hung with the Lakers who had pretty much their entire team, less Vanderbilt. Can’t complain and just hope we get some reinforcements soon.

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2/4/2024  1:02 AM
ToddTT wrote:How are we still so bad at handling the double teams?

Do coaches get any blame for this?

Why not have Brunson play off the ball and have DD or Deuce bring the ball up?

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2/4/2024  7:16 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
ToddTT wrote:How are we still so bad at handling the double teams?

Do coaches get any blame for this?

Why not have Brunson play off the ball and have DD or Deuce bring the ball up?

Absolutely.

DD brought it up after a couple of double teams, and I was like “yeah!”

Then he immediately gave it back to JB.

That 4th quarter is gonna sting for a couple of days.

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2/4/2024  7:44 AM
You know what would take some of the sting off right about now?

If they would tell us that Ogugua's elbow is doing better, and that it's not a chronic condition.

Ogugua. Say that ten times fast.

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2/4/2024  7:54 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
VDesai wrote:
ToddTT wrote:How are we still so bad at handling the double teams?

When Hartenstein went out, there was no one creating screens at the top for Brunson. They were double him off Hart and while Hart made the first 3 the next 3-4 possesions were a disaster.

Three no shooters in the lineup is a killer. They'll let Precious shoot all day. It's simple. Let the other players beat you.

When iHart and DD both picked up their 4th fouls, I thought we were in trouble.

I just hope iHart's 2-9 had nothing to do with his achilles.

Hart and Precious need to get in the gym and start hoisting up thousands of threes.

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2/4/2024  7:58 AM
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EAST W L PCT GB STRK L10 HOME AWAY PPG OPPG DIFF
-------- -- -- ----- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----
1 Boston 37 12 0.755 - L1 7-3 22-3 15-9 120.1 111.1 9.0
2 Milwaukee 33 16 0.673 4 W1 6-4 21-5 12-11 124.0 119.9 4.1
3 Cleveland 31 16 0.66 5 W5 9-1 17-8 14-8 114.3 109.7 4.6

4 New York 32 18 0.64 5.5 L1 9-1 18-6 14-12 115.0 109.3 5.7

5 Philadelphia 30 18 0.625 6.5 L1 5-5 17-7 13-11 119.1 113.3 5.8
6 Indiana 27 23 0.54 10.5 L3 4-6 16-10 11-13 124.4 122.8 1.6
7 Miami 26 23 0.531 11 W2 3-7 13-11 13-12 110.4 111.4 -1.0
8 Orlando 26 23 0.531 11 W2 5-5 15-7 11-16 111.6 110.8 0.8
9 Chicago 23 27 0.46 14.5 L1 5-5 14-12 9-15 111.1 112.6 -1.5
10 Atlanta 22 27 0.449 15 W4 6-4 12-13 10-14 121.2 123.4 -2.2
11 Brooklyn 20 28 0.417 16.5 W1 4-6 12-13 8-15 114.6 115.4 -0.8
12 Toronto 17 31 0.354 19.5 L1 2-8 10-13 7-18 114.3 117.0 -2.7
13 Charlotte 10 37 0.213 26 L6 2-8 5-18 5-19 108.5 120.4 -11.9
14 Washington 9 39 0.188 27.5 L2 2-8 3-20 6-19 114.8 123.7 -8.9
15 Detroit 6 42 0.125 30.5 L2 3-7 4-22 2-20 112.9 122.5 -9.6

WEST W L PCT GB STRK L10 HOME AWAY PPG OPPG DIFF
-------- -- -- ----- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----
1 Oklahoma City 34 15 0.694 - W2 7-3 19-6 15-9 120.6 112.5 8.1
2 Minnesota 34 15 0.694 - L1 6-4 18-5 16-10 113.0 107.0 6.0
3 Los Angeles 32 15 0.681 1 W2 8-2 19-4 13-11 118.5 112.0 6.5
4 Denver 34 16 0.68 0.5 W1 7-3 20-4 14-12 114.8 110.7 4.1
5 Sacramento 29 19 0.604 4.5 W2 6-4 14-8 15-11 118.5 117.5 1.0
6 Phoenix 28 21 0.571 6 L1 7-3 14-11 14-10 116.9 114.7 2.2
7 New Orleans 28 21 0.571 6 W2 5-5 14-10 14-11 116.4 112.9 3.5
8 Dallas 26 23 0.531 8 L2 3-7 14-13 12-10 118.2 118.8 -0.6
9 Los Angeles 26 25 0.51 9 W2 6-4 17-8 9-17 116.1 117.1 -1.0
10 Utah 24 26 0.48 10.5 L3 4-6 15-7 9-19 117.6 120.0 -2.4
11 Houston 23 25 0.479 10.5 W1 4-6 18-9 5-16 113.9 112.3 1.6
12 Golden State 21 25 0.457 11.5 L1 4-6 13-13 8-12 119.0 118.8 0.2
13 Memphis 18 31 0.367 16 L4 4-6 5-18 13-13 107.2 112.7 -5.5
14 Portland 15 34 0.306 19 L1 5-5 9-13 6-21 108.5 116.7 -8.2
15 San Antonio 10 40 0.2 24.5 L4 3-7 5-21 5-19 112.3 120.9 -8.6


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2/4/2024  8:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/4/2024  8:52 AM
blkexec wrote:
TheMTL wrote:7 last minutes of the game we went scoreless smh

I missed the 4th but heard they doubled JB the entire time. Good loss to remind Leon we still need that insurance trade when OG and Randle are out of having off nights. Double JB is the secret strategy all teams will continue to use moving forward.

Murray is a good addition. I’m just worried about what we lose in that trade. Grimes, EF and picks is cool.

Now when everybody is healthy would Murray be happy in a limited role?

Said it prior to first game without Randle. Teams will now start doubling JB instead of Randle. Will be key how JB handles it and how we play off ball rotation. Surprisingly, the Lakers were the first to really commit to it. Think JB handled it well though except for a few forced shots and TOs here and there. Unfortunately a couple of those came late in the game. Imo, we just did not drive off the ball rotation and instead settled for long threes. Would have liked to have seen some drive and kicks off the rotation. Feel that gets you better looks. Definitely saw the ball end up in JHarts hands late in the game and he was indecisive.Also noticed how much Davis affected IHarts shots. He could not hit anything around the basket. Shots he normally makes.But hey, we had a lead and just did not hit the open shots. We start a new steak Tuesday.

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2/4/2024  9:04 AM
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MaTT4281 wrote:Not even mad tonight - but I hope this isn't the deciding factor on a deadline trade.


Depends on if OG is gonna miss more time

Agreed on both.

28% from 3 (10/35).

Grimes, while streaky himself, plays and feel last night's drought doesn't happen and Knicks hold them off.

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2/4/2024  9:38 AM
Every now and again you need to throw Fournier out there. This would have been the game to do it short handed to try to create a little space for JB.

They fought hard. Not having your two best on ball defenders is a killer Lebron didn’t have to work hard last night to get his points.

Came down to a few plays, Hart had a couple of tough turnovers and we missed a couple passes when AD was trying to block everything.

We are going to need someone like Bojan to keep Brunson fresh for the playoffs. Injuries are going to happen Grimes, OG and Mitch seem to be injure prone guys, can’t let it leak over.

Lot of positives tonight, Precious has been very impressive and DDV is a competitor and will bring it come playoff time

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2/4/2024  9:48 AM
Given how decimated this roster is right now this was bound to happen. We don’t need trades, we need to not fall apart until healthy again.

THibs not playing Evan is interesting. But our coach has his ways and its working.
Its crazy to see on any given night tanking teams upset another. Its the NBA and parity brings it.
THat LA beat boston without two HOF’s was crazy.

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2/4/2024  10:04 AM
Good effort, just ran out of gas. The OGA injury is concerning. Leon must make some trades this week. Get a 10th-15th men that Thibs will trust and play if needed. We went 7 deep last night. Why are guys like Flynn, Jeffries and Brown here if they can't even get in games like last night in an emergency?

But I'm glad this one is over. Honestly the stupid LeBum to NYC talk was tiring and infuriating to me. I cannot believe there are fans who are so quick to forgive and forget what this guy did to us from 2008-2010. I can't understand a clown like SAS, who is not a real fan, having no self respect. But there are some here and other message boards, twitter and sports radio who are pro LeBum getting traded here. I JUST DO NOT GET IT!

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2/4/2024  10:10 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
ToddTT wrote:How are we still so bad at handling the double teams?

Do coaches get any blame for this?

Why not have Brunson play off the ball and have DD or Deuce bring the ball up?

I thought they handled the doubles fine. They didn’t turn it over and got the ball to someone wide open at the 3 point line or someone at the foul line area with a 4 on 3. The players who we had surrounding Brunson weren’t good offensive players. If the players can’t put the ball in the hole it really doesn’t matter what you do

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2/4/2024  11:31 AM
EwingPSD wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
ToddTT wrote:How are we still so bad at handling the double teams?

Do coaches get any blame for this?

Why not have Brunson play off the ball and have DD or Deuce bring the ball up?

I thought they handled the doubles fine. They didn’t turn it over and got the ball to someone wide open at the 3 point line or someone at the foul line area with a 4 on 3. The players who we had surrounding Brunson weren’t good offensive players. If the players can’t put the ball in the hole it really doesn’t matter what you do

They had Hart bringing up the ball in Indiana. That actually seemed to confuse the Indiana set defense and gave Brunson an extra step before the defense had a chance to switch. Here, the double was Lebron and he was playing behind Brunson with his length making Brunson worry about being blocked from behind. They also had Anthony Davis patrolling the paint which limited Brunson to floaters or mid range jumps, taking the layups out of his repertoire. I mean, if the takeaway is to have two presumptive HOFers guarding our lead scorer, well, that’s a great strategy.

This is the Randle.
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2/4/2024  1:10 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
EwingPSD wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
ToddTT wrote:How are we still so bad at handling the double teams?

Do coaches get any blame for this?

Why not have Brunson play off the ball and have DD or Deuce bring the ball up?

I thought they handled the doubles fine. They didn’t turn it over and got the ball to someone wide open at the 3 point line or someone at the foul line area with a 4 on 3. The players who we had surrounding Brunson weren’t good offensive players. If the players can’t put the ball in the hole it really doesn’t matter what you do

They had Hart bringing up the ball in Indiana. That actually seemed to confuse the Indiana set defense and gave Brunson an extra step before the defense had a chance to switch. Here, the double was Lebron and he was playing behind Brunson with his length making Brunson worry about being blocked from behind. They also had Anthony Davis patrolling the paint which limited Brunson to floaters or mid range jumps, taking the layups out of his repertoire. I mean, if the takeaway is to have two presumptive HOFers guarding our lead scorer, well, that’s a great strategy.

That and DDV did not have a great game. Hope he is not reverting back to the mean of his career.

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2/4/2024  1:19 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
ToddTT wrote:How are we still so bad at handling the double teams?

Do coaches get any blame for this?

Why not have Brunson play off the ball and have DD or Deuce bring the ball up?

lol, we were getting wide open shots, we had nobody to make them, and we had nobody who could score over Davis inside. The team is gutted right now, let's not point fingers after a 9 game winning streak. This team has been playing above their heads the last few games, if you recall we were down against CHA and IND and willed ourselves through it. That magic predictably ran out. This team needs to get OG and Grimes back at a minimum, we win the game last night with either one of those 2 guys in there to end the game. It's too easy to double Brunson at half court when you only have one other guy who's a threat to score out there.

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2/4/2024  1:22 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
EwingPSD wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
ToddTT wrote:How are we still so bad at handling the double teams?

Do coaches get any blame for this?

Why not have Brunson play off the ball and have DD or Deuce bring the ball up?

I thought they handled the doubles fine. They didn’t turn it over and got the ball to someone wide open at the 3 point line or someone at the foul line area with a 4 on 3. The players who we had surrounding Brunson weren’t good offensive players. If the players can’t put the ball in the hole it really doesn’t matter what you do

They had Hart bringing up the ball in Indiana. That actually seemed to confuse the Indiana set defense and gave Brunson an extra step before the defense had a chance to switch. Here, the double was Lebron and he was playing behind Brunson with his length making Brunson worry about being blocked from behind. They also had Anthony Davis patrolling the paint which limited Brunson to floaters or mid range jumps, taking the layups out of his repertoire. I mean, if the takeaway is to have two presumptive HOFers guarding our lead scorer, well, that’s a great strategy.

Yea, they had two 6'8 players guarding Brunson, they were sticking to DDV and doubling off Hart every time, content to leave him wide TF open, and then they have AD patrolling the paint, who rendered most of our offensive rebounds useless because of his rim protection (iHart and Precious missed like 10 bunnies).

It was a perfect storm of who we were missing and who they had in there. Even Grimes in there to be a threat on offense would have probably made a difference last night.

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2/4/2024  3:44 PM
Nalod wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
EwingPSD wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
ToddTT wrote:How are we still so bad at handling the double teams?

Do coaches get any blame for this?

Why not have Brunson play off the ball and have DD or Deuce bring the ball up?

I thought they handled the doubles fine. They didn’t turn it over and got the ball to someone wide open at the 3 point line or someone at the foul line area with a 4 on 3. The players who we had surrounding Brunson weren’t good offensive players. If the players can’t put the ball in the hole it really doesn’t matter what you do

They had Hart bringing up the ball in Indiana. That actually seemed to confuse the Indiana set defense and gave Brunson an extra step before the defense had a chance to switch. Here, the double was Lebron and he was playing behind Brunson with his length making Brunson worry about being blocked from behind. They also had Anthony Davis patrolling the paint which limited Brunson to floaters or mid range jumps, taking the layups out of his repertoire. I mean, if the takeaway is to have two presumptive HOFers guarding our lead scorer, well, that’s a great strategy.

That and DDV did not have a great game. Hope he is not reverting back to the mean of his career.

1) We are bad at double teams because Brunson can't see over the defenders. Its part of the small guy narrative. They break it the best when Brunson splits the defenders with a bounce pass to Hartenstein. They avoid it when JHart brings the ball up.

2) DDV didn't revert by any means. 60% from 3 was the abberation. His 38% from 3 last night was well within margin. Its just his volume was much higher because those 3s were really the only open looks we were getting. But some of those were pretty long threes cause thats all we had available to us. Feel like having either of OG or QG back might have turned that game.

3) Anthony Davis took away the paint. Josh Hart, Precious and iHart shot a combined 11 for 37. Well below all of their averages. If there is a place where we underperformed, these guys had trouble with the defense in the paint. They handled their business pretty well on the defensive end, but its hard to win with your bigs shooting 30% instead of 55%. 20% of 37 shots is more that the margin of loss.

End of the day, I am surprised they won the prior two games (even against Charlotte) as undermanned as they were. They either need to focus on getting healthy or need to turn Fournier into reinforcements.

This is the Randle.
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